2018-11-07 00:17:36
Ok i still don't understand what determines going from 64gb to 128gb RAM
Daeng
2018-11-07 00:17:45
The snowfield
Daeng
2018-11-07 00:25:13
> No pilluhan se on aina mielessä mutta hypätään nyt ensin!
fydel
2018-11-07 00:25:22
well
fydel
2018-11-07 01:34:45
@Daeng Do you know how `mining` or `mining difficulty` works?
I'm happy to explain.
Clueless
2018-11-07 01:38:39
@Clueless like bitcoin every 2500 blocks right?
Daeng
2018-11-07 01:39:00
Ok ill learn that first
Daeng
2018-11-07 01:46:37
@Daeng So, imagine you roll a single die, 1-6. You win if you get `<=3`. That means you will win `1/2 of the time` you roll the die.
Clueless
2018-11-07 01:47:24
You can make it harder to win by raising the `difficulty` to `<=2`, now you will only win `1/3rd of the time`
Clueless
2018-11-07 01:48:18
if you raise the difficulty again `<=1` you will only win `1/6th of the time`
Clueless
2018-11-07 01:50:20
Ok understand but from 64gb to 128gb increase is determined by blocks? I read only 6%+ mined
Daeng
2018-11-07 01:51:16
no, by average difficulty
Rotonen
2018-11-07 01:53:35
Meaning there's a possibility to go from ilama to capybara again? (Maybe not possible)
Daeng
2018-11-07 01:55:36
no
Rotonen
2018-11-07 01:55:39
it only goes up
Rotonen
2018-11-07 02:02:33
@Daeng we shouldn't jump ahead. that causes confusion.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:03:41
So, mining is basically a function `rolling dice` with a dynamic `difficulty`
Here's the thing, if the difficulty suddenly gets too high, that means technology has likely progressed to the point that mining is too easy?
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:05:00
So, the idea here is to make it harder/slower to deal with, by doubling the size of the snowfield.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:13:30
It also gives me an outlet for my rage
Fireduck
2018-11-07 02:14:01
Ok but still don't understand who determines the snowfield? Fireduck?
Daeng
2018-11-07 02:14:38
the difficulty of the block
Rotonen
2018-11-07 02:17:20
But why doesn't it goes back to 64gb if the block difficulty decrease? Like no longer profitable to mine @ price too low
Daeng
2018-11-07 02:17:22
@Daeng the difficulty is the result of some math regarding the last number of blocks, in bitcoin it's 2016?
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:17:48
For example when the difficulty goes to 41 then we will go to field 8
Fireduck
2018-11-07 02:18:10
@Daeng and, because, you don't want a miner to jump in with a TON of hash power, mine a bunch real quick, then pull out and wait for it to drop. (like has happened in bitcoin)
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:18:24
And if difficulty goes to 21 field to 4 no right?
Daeng
2018-11-07 02:19:26
Btw like the project Apache license no more snowblossom classic/cash
Daeng
2018-11-07 02:21:00
I don't think Apache prevents that
Fireduck
2018-11-07 02:21:48
I designed it for the snowfield never go back down because if it did it would probably Boomerang back and forth between two once we actually hit a memory capacity wall.
Fireduck
2018-11-07 02:22:24
@Daeng https://www.blockchain.com/charts/hash-rate
it takes a bit more resolution than that, but i fyou compare bitcoin to bitcoin cash, you can see there were bitcoin miners jumping back and forth in order to adjust the difficulty and mine more, abusively The estimated number of tera hashes per second (trillions of hashes per second) the Bitcoin network is performing.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:23:29
They'd mine bitcoin a lot, get rewards, until it got hard, and bitcoin cash went down in difficulty.
Then they'd mine bitcoin cash a lot, get rewards, until it got hard and bitcoin went down in difficulty.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:23:56
@Daeng Even worse, some one was also timing it to happen in a way it hurt bitcoin transaction times.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:24:23
They'd push the difficulty up, leave, then it would take a long time to get a block to confirm transactions
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:27:56
@Daeng if you look at bitcoin's history in terms of all the FUD and transaction time nonsense
https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,all Johoe's Bitcoin Mempool Size Statistics
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:28:17
You can line up some of these events with huge problems occuring in mempool.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:28:57
maybe diving a bit deep for the basics there
Rotonen
2018-11-07 02:30:51
heh, while you’ve been through that, nethash jumped by a gigahash :P
Rotonen
2018-11-07 02:31:16
sustained 3,6 starts to look likely soon
Rotonen
2018-11-07 02:36:28
@Daeng ANYWAY, yeah, THAT is why the field size doesn't go back down.
All the miners would have to do is turn off their machines for a week, and start mining again when it's easier.
Clueless
2018-11-07 02:39:07
Got it
Daeng
2018-11-07 02:41:13
difficulty: 40.403 (40.257)
activated_field: 7 llama (63% to 41)
So i need buy a 256gb RAM instead then?
Daeng
2018-11-07 02:51:54
Or nvme
Fireduck
2018-11-07 03:02:35
I read somewhere in slack you said about network latency, I'm from a developing country will 5mbps internet be ok? I would like to mine from home
Daeng
2018-11-07 03:03:47
That is no problem at all
Fireduck
2018-11-07 03:04:12
The pool mining protocol is rather efficient
Fireduck
2018-11-07 03:07:31
@Daeng um, it's hard to advise on what to buy. it's a hard engineering problem.
Clueless
2018-11-07 05:13:13
@Daeng to be more clear, once you get mining going (have the field downloaded or generated) it should take about 100 bytes per second for the actual mining protocol. Probably less. Slack probably uses more.
Fireduck
2018-11-07 05:14:32
No landline here and no unlimited bandwidth
Daeng
2018-11-07 05:14:43
Glad to know that
Daeng
2018-11-07 08:04:50
Ahh this is what i was talking about regarding the network speed for mining
Daeng
2018-11-07 08:37:30
@Daeng organizing documentation and stuff is going to be my next project after logging
Clueless
2018-11-07 10:27:40
third block in a week, my pool’s on a roll :P
Rotonen
2018-11-07 15:20:13
I moved my massive fleet over to it
Fireduck
2018-11-07 15:20:34
my fleet is about 1MH/s
Fireduck
2018-11-07 15:38:42
you’ll double my hashrate, thank you, helps clear out the old shares from the 10M folks
Rotonen
2018-11-07 15:39:38
I gotta retool for field 8
Fireduck
2018-11-07 15:57:05
just do what @SidGrip is doing
Rotonen
2018-11-07 15:58:00
Drugs?
Fireduck
2018-11-07 17:44:55
:joy:
SidGrip
2018-11-07 17:44:55
Does that ASUS nvme riser only work on certain motherboards?
Fireduck
2018-11-07 17:45:13
Thinking of moving to nvme to stop chasing RAM dragon
Fireduck
2018-11-07 17:47:00
It's always a risk chasing ram, but i just don't see getting to field 10 to quickly. So a 1tb ram miner maybe worth it
SidGrip
2018-11-07 17:47:39
you could also shop a mean photo with 1tb of ram
Fireduck
2018-11-07 17:52:24
ok, I orderd that ASUS card and 2x intel 760p 256gb
Fireduck
2018-11-07 17:52:53
so combined with a little ram that gets me up to the 512gb field without trouble and I can add a few more of those nvmes if needed
Fireduck
2018-11-07 17:53:12
if it works out, that intel 760p performance per price is hard to beat
Fireduck
2018-11-07 18:03:09
I am hoping for around 110kh/s from that
Fireduck
2018-11-07 18:03:17
which is of course not amazing
Fireduck