2018-11-08 00:02:03
                        
                            
                            
                    
gigabyte getting into the epyc workstation market, but dunno about it for snowblossom price-wise with just one socket
https://www.anandtech.com/print/13566/amd-epyc-for-atx-workstations-gigabyte-mz01ce0-mz01ce1-motherboards AMD EPYC for ATX Workstations: GIGABYTE MZ01-CE0 & MZ01-CE1 Motherboards
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:03:21
                        
                            
                            
                    
Is epyc a bus or a socket or what?
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:04:11
                        
                            
                            
                    
amd cpu
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:04:27
                        
                            
                            
                    
8 ram channels per socket
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:04:39
                        
                            
                            
                    
the name is stupid, but 'amd xeon' is close enough to the truth
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:04:53
                        
                            
                            
                    
they dropped the opteron name at some point for whatever reason
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:05:25
                        
                            
                            
                    
and they're pretty good in the way of dollars per ram channel for just the cpu
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:07:46
                        
                            
                            
                    
the low end 120W models should do rather well for snowblossom
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-epyc-7251
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 00:08:49
                        
                            
                            
                    
i love the coy jab at oracle licensing there, the use case of that processor is to be 'licensing cost optimized' :stuck_out_tongue:
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 02:47:22
                        
                            
                            
                    
Got two of those. Can't use them till the riser comes tomorrow
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 02:55:34
                        
                            
                            
                    
neat, I'll be interested in your results.
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:20:41
                        
                            
                            
                    
my mess is all on field 8 now
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:38:05
                        
                            
                            
                    
it sucks how much less efficent it is to read from shm file system over memory allocated in the jvm
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:38:26
                        
                            
                            
                    
but the jvm is a hot mess, so if you want to get anywhere close to system memory limit, you need to use shm
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:40:26
                        
                            
                            
                    
what is shm
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:41:08
                        
                            
                            
                    
shared memory file system?   like a ram disk?
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:41:32
                        
                            
                            
                    
Yeah
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:48:41
                        
                            
                            
                    
It is in the linux kernel so works really well, but Arktika can't seem to access it as cheaply
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:51:00
                        
                            
                            
                    
@Fireduck I don't understand what you mean by JVM being hot mess.
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:51:44
                        
                            
                            
                    
for example, if I want the jvm to cache 16gb, I usually have to set the max heap size much larger, like 24gb for it to work
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:52:03
                        
                            
                            
                    
which is fine for some things, but when I want to cache 240gb on a machine with 256gb, I can't quite make that work
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:52:15
                        
                            
                            
                    
Yeah, I wonder if it caches chunks out of order and requires room for defragging or something
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 18:52:33
                        
                            
                            
                    
that sort of thing is more the kernel's problem
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 20:01:36
                        
                            
                            
                    
`74% to 41` yay, my code is useful
                    
                arichnad
                        
                        2018-11-08 20:18:00
                        
                            
                            
                    
nice
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:05:38
                        
                            
                            
                    
@Fireduck fscache works as well as shm
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:09:51
                        
                            
                            
                    
@arichnad yeah, it is
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:10:26
                        
                            
                            
                    
:slightly_smiling_face: if anybody has trouble using the Dockerfile, please send them my way.  i use it exclusively and everything seems to run smoothly.
                    
                arichnad
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:11:36
                        
                            
                            
                    
also, i'm adrian by the way
                    
                arichnad
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:12:05
                        
                            
                            
                    
yeah, I remember the pull requests
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:12:18
                        
                            
                            
                    
I've never used docker but apparently it is hot
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:16:50
                        
                            
                            
                    
yeah, i was expecting that mining would be slower inside the container.  i figured the IO would slow down a little bit going in and out of the container.  but no, i get the same hash-rate in both situations.
                    
                arichnad
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:17:59
                        
                            
                            
                    
The container is a fairly lightweight construct right?  It doesn't have its own kernel like full virtualization, right?
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:18:06
                        
                            
                            
                    
more of a jail
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:18:31
                        
                            
                            
                    
that's right.  it's really just a special process.  much like a chroot.
                    
                arichnad
                        
                        2018-11-08 21:18:40
                        
                            
                            
                    
PIDs even show up in top.
                    
                arichnad
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:37:25
                        
                            
                            
                    
depends on how you back the container and/or volume storage
                    
                Rotonen
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:47:26
                        
                            
                            
                    
Anyway snowblossom reward system is more to like farming snowfield than mining maybe change the term?
                    
                Daeng
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:54:43
                        
                            
                            
                    
eh, it is flailing at some thing and checking a hash
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:54:55
                        
                            
                            
                    
nothing really to do with "mining" even in the bitcoin case
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:55:17
                        
                            
                            
                    
but it is the term that everyone understands, do some work in hopes of making blocks to get block reward
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:57:18
                        
                            
                            
                    
Hmm.  What's the analogy?
A scavenger hunt? 
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:57:29
                        
                            
                            
                    
!!  Scavenger Hunt! 
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:58:11
                        
                            
                            
                    
picking up dog turds, putting them in your mouth in the hopes that one is actually eventually a sausage
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:58:33
                        
                            
                            
                    
Eww.  I think that would make the documentation more confusing. 
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:58:42
                        
                            
                            
                    
ah, today is one of those days where I shoudn't be allowed a keyboard
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:59:11
                        
                            
                            
                    
Yes, you should be forced to code using text to speech.
                    
                Clueless
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:59:40
                        
                            
                            
                    
I do sometimes use speech to text on android
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:59:50
                        
                            
                            
                    
it works surprisingly well even for technical topics
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 22:59:52
                        
                            
                            
                    
usually
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 23:00:15
                        
                            
                            
                    
maybe that shouldn't be surprising, it was probably trained by nerds
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 23:00:47
                        
                            
                            
                    
I almost have pool failover working for PoolMiner and Arktika
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 23:00:57
                        
                            
                            
                    
probably get that in tonight assuming Lola goes to sleep reasonably
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 23:01:40
                        
                            
                            
                    
She was really helpful in the design phase (long stroller walks were good for thinking about design)
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 23:01:43
                        
                            
                            
                    
but less helpful now
                    
                Fireduck
                        
                        2018-11-08 23:15:06
                        
                            
                            
                    
@Fireduck just make sure the documentation thereof does not turn political
                    
                Rotonen