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2018-06-23 00:13:36
gratisangratis
Agreed
2018-06-23 00:42:19
Lev
nethash lowered to under 1 gigahash, but difficulty avg still increasing
2018-06-23 00:42:23
Lev
whats up with that?
2018-06-23 00:42:52
Rotonen
@Fireduck m.2 pci-e riser, or?
2018-06-23 00:43:06
Fireduck
Yes
2018-06-23 00:43:15
Rotonen
@Fireduck pci-e 2.0?
2018-06-23 00:43:57
Rotonen
takes more cycles for a fetch to complete, so does older memory, also half bandwidth
2018-06-23 00:44:02
Fireduck
Probably but not sure. I'm pretty sure it is a computer.
2018-06-23 00:44:30
Fireduck
I should look up MB specs
2018-06-23 00:44:39
Rotonen
rather the block diagram
2018-06-23 00:46:24
Rotonen
sorta fun if you're maxing out the pci-e on that
2018-06-23 00:46:40
Rotonen
miners usually struggle with that, namely
2018-06-23 00:49:42
Tyler Boone
"I'm pretty sure it is a computer"
2018-06-23 00:50:08
Tyler Boone
strong words
2018-06-23 00:52:48
Rotonen
considering the amount of monero mined on refridgerators, who knows these days
2018-06-23 01:13:53
Fireduck
It is a solid server board but pretty old
2018-06-23 01:29:08
Fireduck
Yeah, looks like pcie 2.0
2018-06-23 03:04:34
Shoots
@Lev difficulty will keep going up because over the last day we've mined 2-3x the amount of blocks we should have. I expect a very slow block period for a while now
2018-06-23 03:10:52
Shoots
Scratch that, we got some more hr again
2018-06-23 03:55:48
Tyler Boone
TIL, slack TOS prohibit users <16 years old.
2018-06-23 03:55:57
Tyler Boone
:disappointed:
2018-06-23 03:56:54
Fireduck
so they can't lie?
2018-06-23 03:57:34
Fireduck
Learning to lie to people who should mind their own business is part of being an adult.
2018-06-23 05:04:33
Clueless
Whatever happened to the fact that minors can't sign contracts?
2018-06-23 05:10:49
Fireduck
that isn't always true
2018-06-23 05:11:04
Fireduck
for example, a minor can go into a store and buy something, which is a type of contract
2018-06-23 05:19:45
Tyler Boone
A minor can enter a contract.
2018-06-23 05:20:38
Tyler Boone
But in most cases, the minor then has the ability to void the contract.
2018-06-23 05:21:27
Tyler Boone
Otherwise how would a minor have a job?
2018-06-23 08:35:48
cristo
Hi, currently. How many ram i need to mine snow. Is it 128Gb? Thank
2018-06-23 09:39:36
Clueless
@cristo If you're able to mine from ram, it'll be faster, but it's io based
2018-06-23 09:39:56
Clueless
if you want to mine all in ram, you'd need the snowfield size + a little extra
2018-06-23 09:40:00
Clueless
there's also hybred mining
2018-06-23 09:41:19
Ninja
difficulty (avg): 38.854 (38.629)
2018-06-23 09:57:23
cristo
@Clueless thank you,
2018-06-23 11:03:55
mst100
hi, what field should I download
2018-06-23 11:52:13
mst100
I see I got little late, already on ssd
2018-06-23 11:52:20
mst100
and 7th field
2018-06-23 11:52:40
mst100
lot of familiar faces here :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-23 11:53:35
mst100
If I run 3 hdd in raid is that decent speed
2018-06-23 11:55:22
mst100
are cpu power used for mining
2018-06-23 12:12:26
cXplexus
3HHDs are not going to do much at all. Better off with a SSD large enough for the field
2018-06-23 12:16:57
cXplexus
Protopool on all the blockers
2018-06-23 12:25:53
AlexCrow
diff 39
2018-06-23 12:30:02
fydel
no snowfield 7 yet?
2018-06-23 12:31:38
mst100
how about 3 ssd in raid
2018-06-23 12:34:09
mst100
I need to delete 60gb of movies now :disappointed:
2018-06-23 12:34:33
fydel
"movies" :wink:
2018-06-23 12:35:24
mst100
:smile:
2018-06-23 12:48:25
Rotonen
not all ssd are equal, depends
2018-06-23 12:48:29
Rotonen
try
2018-06-23 12:51:20
mst100
yea this mine are some shitty ones
2018-06-23 12:51:39
mst100
cheapest I was able to find
2018-06-23 13:31:10
AlexCrow
@Fireduck do we need to wait until average diff will hit 39 ?
2018-06-23 14:05:37
CryptoQuan
Hey guys, new to Snowblossom and am trying to understand the mining
2018-06-23 14:05:51
CryptoQuan
It’s not CPU or GPU based mining...correct?
2018-06-23 14:10:07
CryptoQuan
Yeah, I read through that. Just trying to figure out what hardware requirements are needed for mining
2018-06-23 14:10:17
CryptoQuan
Just a large SSD?
2018-06-23 14:10:26
mst100
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-06-23 14:11:02
mst100
all I know you need to delete porns fomr your hdd's do be able to mine it
2018-06-23 14:11:35
Tyler Boone
we are close to field 7. once there you will need 128gb of hard drive space minimum
2018-06-23 14:12:06
mst100
I reed that
2018-06-23 14:12:21
mst100
when you mine snow how is your cpu usage
2018-06-23 14:12:43
Clueless
high, try it
2018-06-23 14:13:01
mst100
still deleting files from discs
2018-06-23 14:13:47
mst100
I found out about this coin about 2 weeks but slack keep me away for a while
2018-06-23 14:14:06
mst100
really shame you guys are not on discord
2018-06-23 14:14:59
Clueless
We are
2018-06-23 14:15:02
mst100
my english went little bad
2018-06-23 14:15:31
mst100
I menat shame like to bad
2018-06-23 14:15:59
mst100
hit me a link
2018-06-23 14:16:23
mst100
:slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-23 14:18:14
Clueless
@Tyler Boone that is an ugly cat
2018-06-23 14:24:53
THX 1138 4EB
will there be a vote on the size of the transaction fee?
2018-06-23 14:30:18
THX 1138 4EB
ETN had to raise their fee 10x because they got spammed with small transactions
2018-06-23 14:36:58
Clueless
@THX 1138 4EB transactions tend to be auction based, where if people want to go sooner, they can pay more than others. snowblossom however, can do block scaling, where it can include more transactions and produce larger blocks.
2018-06-23 15:04:57
Fireduck
My plan was to make it tunable by pools
2018-06-23 15:40:35
quantumblockz
@Clueless Has dynamic block sizes been done before, or is SnowBlossom the first?
2018-06-23 15:41:01
Fireduck
all block sizes are dynamic :wink:
2018-06-23 15:42:41
quantumblockz
I didn't recognize Clueless's description so the phrasing sounded like block scaling was just invented.
2018-06-23 15:57:13
Fireduck
he might have had something else in mind
2018-06-23 15:57:17
Fireduck
I don't know
2018-06-23 16:37:27
THX 1138 4EB
i'm still concerned that someone is going to attack with a deluge of transactions just for the sake of doing it
2018-06-23 16:45:41
Fireduck
yeah, I need to put in the fee limit option
2018-06-23 16:45:53
Fireduck
and then pools can turn it on in the event of such an attack
2018-06-23 16:45:58
Fireduck
on nodes as well
2018-06-23 16:55:13
AlexCrow
hm..diff is 39.116 but we are on field 6
2018-06-23 16:55:57
Protovist
new snowfield takes effect when avg diff hits 39
2018-06-23 16:56:57
Protovist
at this rate it should happen after around 90 more blocks
2018-06-23 16:58:12
THX 1138 4EB
my goodness!
2018-06-23 17:52:25
Johannes
oh
2018-06-23 18:04:10
snipebtc
So guys, is it like actually possible to dump/import a privkey? Or to encrypt the wallet file?
2018-06-23 18:07:59
snipebtc
I know the wallet file is there, but is there a way to secure it?
2018-06-23 18:26:01
THX 1138 4EB
not yet but eventually @snipebtc
2018-06-23 18:26:11
snipebtc
i see
2018-06-23 18:26:13
snipebtc
thanks
2018-06-23 18:26:45
THX 1138 4EB
you should back your wallet up by copying it somewhere
2018-06-23 18:27:03
snipebtc
definitely, just checking :d
2018-06-23 20:42:39
AlexCrow
now is only 18 blocks left
2018-06-23 20:43:40
AlexCrow
every block increases diff on 0.003
2018-06-23 21:13:21
Johannes
Say I am pool-mining, does it help if I run the node on a different machine as the miner, or is it superfluous to run a node as the pool runs one and this is used?
2018-06-23 21:14:05
Lev
pool software does not automatically run a node
2018-06-23 21:14:13
Lev
you can run node and pool on the same machine
2018-06-23 21:14:27
Lev
ah, it seems i misunderstood
2018-06-23 21:14:28
Johannes
that's what I currently do
2018-06-23 21:14:46
Lev
if you are mining for a pool, you just need to run pool miner
2018-06-23 21:14:57
Lev
no need to run node
2018-06-23 21:15:00
Johannes
I am just wondering, as my Core i3 is pretty maxxed out running bot the pool-miner and the node
2018-06-23 21:15:02
Lev
your pool miner wont even talk to your local node
2018-06-23 21:15:07
Johannes
ah ok
2018-06-23 21:15:17
Lev
however, your CPU will remain maxed out
2018-06-23 21:15:23
Lev
miner uses a lot of CPU, node does not
2018-06-23 21:15:43
Johannes
that's OK, I already bought a Core i7 on eBay
2018-06-23 21:16:15
Johannes
I just don't want to run a node if it is not necessary
2018-06-23 21:16:28
Johannes
i3 is bit of weak...
2018-06-23 21:18:26
Johannes
Hm ok without local node, no wallet stats... makes sense
2018-06-23 21:19:07
Lev
you can always use the explorer
2018-06-23 21:24:15
Rotonen
does not sound plausible to max out an i3 if ssd mining, but ymmv and hard datapoints welcome
2018-06-23 21:26:36
Johannes
I put a Samsung 970 NVMe into it and running Ubuntu. 16GB RAM. I have yet to figure out how to run it in NVMe mode, I have the suspicion it is running in SATA mode
2018-06-23 21:27:01
Johannes
Here's what "top" has to say
2018-06-23 21:27:33
Johannes
consequently, I am only getting 25K/s :disappointed:
2018-06-23 21:28:14
Johannes
Don't diss me, the SSD arrived just yesterday
2018-06-23 21:37:51
Rotonen
try what atop says at a 60s sample size
2018-06-23 21:38:33
Rotonen
easiest way to see if you max out the disk yet
2018-06-23 21:38:53
Rotonen
also lsblk to see how the device is enumerated to the os
2018-06-23 21:39:19
Rotonen
an iotop for details of how it is saturated once it is saturated
2018-06-23 22:06:00
Johannes
hm lsblk says nvme0n1
2018-06-23 22:06:51
Fireduck
So close to llamas
2018-06-23 22:21:21
Protovist
5 more blocks...
2018-06-23 22:26:26
THX 1138 4EB
REMAIN CALM!
2018-06-23 22:31:46
Rotonen
@Johannes nvme and multiqueue io is so new i’m probably also confused until someone buys me to be otherwise
2018-06-23 22:32:07
Johannes
:smile:
2018-06-23 22:32:45
Torgo
What's the deal with these config files in 1.1.2? Nothing I do gets it to work "must pick either mine_to_wallet or mine_to_address.
2018-06-23 22:33:12
Torgo
Is there any benefit to go to this if I am RAM mining? Or can I use what works.
2018-06-23 22:34:44
Johannes
that's what atop has to say:
2018-06-23 22:35:25
Torgo
Anyone? Dev?
2018-06-23 22:40:14
Johannes
Hmm iotop tells me I get around 8.5M/s transfer from the NVMe
2018-06-23 22:40:31
Rotonen
@Johannes you need both a newer kernel for the performance counters and a newer atop to get stats for nvme
2018-06-23 22:40:56
Johannes
OK, probably true, running 16.04 there
2018-06-23 22:41:22
Rotonen
no leeway in my statement
2018-06-23 22:42:31
Johannes
going to get some sleep, let's see if I can update to the most recent ubuntu tomorrow
2018-06-23 22:42:35
Johannes
g'nite
2018-06-23 22:43:31
Rotonen
dunno if that’d do it either, the changes landed on debian testing within a week
2018-06-23 22:43:44
Johannes
oh, ok
2018-06-23 22:44:27
Rotonen
compiling both yourself are worthwile for a purely mining setup
2018-06-23 22:45:07
Rotonen
for one you can ramp perf by commenting out kernel safeguards
2018-06-23 22:45:36
Rotonen
just never run a generic system like that
2018-06-23 22:56:36
THX 1138 4EB
the miners will just switch over to the new field without restarting right?
2018-06-23 22:56:42
Fireduck
We are on field 7. It will be interesting to see what the difficulty does now.
2018-06-23 22:56:53
Fireduck
@THX 1138 4EB yeah, they do
2018-06-23 22:57:26
THX 1138 4EB
disappointed in the lack of fanfair
2018-06-23 22:57:47
THX 1138 4EB
was expecting the miner to play music or something
2018-06-23 22:58:58
Fireduck
bmp file, on the web
2018-06-23 22:59:01
Fireduck
I love it
2018-06-23 23:00:01
THX 1138 4EB
yayy!
2018-06-23 23:00:12
THX 1138 4EB
happy llama party everyone
2018-06-23 23:00:29
Fireduck
yay! now my desktop is completely unable to mine!
2018-06-23 23:00:31
Fireduck
heh
2018-06-23 23:00:51
THX 1138 4EB
you are instead mining on something dedicated?
2018-06-23 23:01:12
Fireduck
not dedicated. I have some fast SSDs stuck in a few things.
2018-06-23 23:01:28
Fireduck
One of my VM server is rebuilding field 11 to make sure it is correct
2018-06-23 23:01:33
Fireduck
then I'll generate field 12
2018-06-23 23:11:58
Johannes
How large is that gonna be?
2018-06-23 23:12:13
Fireduck
12? 4tb
2018-06-23 23:13:56
THX 1138 4EB
i dont even have a disk big enough
2018-06-23 23:14:45
Johannes
Wow, that's a lot of SSDs...
2018-06-23 23:15:01
THX 1138 4EB
i dont think you need an SSD if youre just generating the field
2018-06-23 23:15:14
Johannes
no, but mining on it later :wink:
2018-06-23 23:15:25
Johannes
BRB, buying up used SAN
2018-06-23 23:15:28
Johannes
's
2018-06-23 23:15:30
Fireduck
we would have to be hashing at nearly 1 TH/s to get to field 12
2018-06-23 23:15:46
Fireduck
you absolutely need an SSD to generate
2018-06-23 23:15:48
Fireduck
so much random IO
2018-06-23 23:16:00
Fireduck
I mean if you are cool with waiting a year, you don't need it
2018-06-23 23:16:19
Fireduck
even with the SSD, it will take me 10 days to generate field 11 again to verify it
2018-06-23 23:16:20
Johannes
@Fireduck just you wait for it, crypto twitter is discovering snowblossom right now
2018-06-23 23:16:31
Fireduck
oh yeah? Good
2018-06-23 23:17:26
THX 1138 4EB
well,shit
2018-06-23 23:17:45
THX 1138 4EB
i have managed to "accumulate" 4 snowblossom
2018-06-23 23:18:07
THX 1138 4EB
when they start asking questions in here pretend we dont speak english
2018-06-23 23:18:24
Fireduck
donde es da libliotecha?
2018-06-23 23:18:50
Fireduck
Darf ich auf die toilette gehen?
2018-06-23 23:19:21
THX 1138 4EB
:smile: perfect
2018-06-23 23:19:29
Fireduck
shikata ga nai
2018-06-23 23:19:36
Clueless
ahh, Snowday's hash rate has dropped drastically
2018-06-23 23:20:11
Fireduck
well, having reached field 7, I turned off my cloud miners
2018-06-23 23:20:20
Fireduck
but that was only 6 MH/s
2018-06-23 23:33:27
Fireduck
config --set max_upload_slots_global 100
2018-06-23 23:33:31
Fireduck
makes deluge seed better
2018-06-23 23:33:56
Rotonen
just use aria2
2018-06-23 23:35:02
Fireduck
is that good for seeding?
2018-06-23 23:41:31
THX 1138 4EB
just give the field to me
2018-06-23 23:41:39
THX 1138 4EB
i will make sure everyone else gets it...
2018-06-23 23:41:43
THX 1138 4EB
.>:D
2018-06-23 23:42:06
Fireduck
not sure if serious..
2018-06-23 23:42:47
THX 1138 4EB
im suggesting you don't seed and instead just give the field to me and i will definitely seed it and not just keep it to myself to get more snow
2018-06-23 23:43:00
Fireduck
ah, ok.
2018-06-23 23:43:25
Fireduck
just in case anyone sees this and misunderstands, the fields are fully deterministic and anyone can generate them using the source code
2018-06-23 23:43:41
Fireduck
the downloads are just to save some disk thrashing
2018-06-23 23:44:04
Rotonen
and electricity ref. cpu cycles spent
2018-06-23 23:44:46
Fireduck
yeah. I had to make the field generation a nightmare to process so people couldn't just generate chunks as needed on the fly
2018-06-23 23:46:03
Rotonen
i'll still hold optimism for unknown unknowns in quantum algorithms for that
2018-06-23 23:46:14
Rotonen
but you might get lucky and i'm plain wrong
2018-06-23 23:47:12
Fireduck
it is all PRNGs that work like hash functions, no known quantum attacks on those but who knows