2018-06-22 02:55:31
@Fireduck any windows release coming do 1.1.2
cXplexus
2018-06-22 03:00:16
It is up
Fireduck
2018-06-22 03:46:08
We are no longer marking the releases as windows, since they are all cross platform java
Fireduck
2018-06-22 04:21:51
Xmx8gb (.bat)/memfield_precache_gb=6 (.conf) runs but it doesn't seem to be using the memory since i still have over 8 gb "available"
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 04:23:33
I only got it to precache 2gb with xmx8gb on one rig. I got it to precache 65gb with xmx 80 on a diffrent rig
SidGrip
2018-06-22 04:23:41
edit: nevermind, it's working
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 04:27:44
it seems to be slower than it was without precache :confused:
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 04:32:07
without precache i was at 15 KH/s and with i'm at 3 KH/s. maybe I need more threads. more threads!
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 05:11:50
https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/wiki/SIP2-Increase-Work-Weighting-For-Higher-Fields
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:11:56
not sure if that should be 4x or higher
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:19:14
would it make a different attack possible where someone with a quarter of the nethash could attack by deliberately using a higher field?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 05:21:35
heh, did you read my update?
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:21:54
under questions
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:22:04
but yeah, they would need 1/4 under the higher field
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:22:14
which would probably not be easy but maybe doable
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:42:34
i think i understand the rationale; it's reasonable to make one attack four times harder whilst making the other attack four times easier because the four times harder attack (the one that the proposal is to make harder) would automatically be easier due to the field switch over?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 05:43:28
yes, well put
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:45:01
put another way it is an attempt to maintain the more work = best chain rule
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:45:23
while trying to estimate how much harder a higher field is to work on
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:46:17
i guess i vote yes through someone's pool. is it clueless' pool? but don't have anything to say on what the multiplier should be
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 05:46:51
I imagine we will have some more discussion on that in the next day or so
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:47:52
how much would it cost to rent enough servers to perform attacks?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 05:49:06
soon that will be rather hard
Fireduck
2018-06-22 05:49:23
but who knows
Fireduck
2018-06-22 06:15:21
currently i'd ballpark that at about 20 usd / h assuming 500Mh/s for the network, but YMMV
Rotonen
2018-06-22 06:15:26
what is the downside of making the multiplier higher?
Tyler Boone
2018-06-22 06:22:17
it costs just $20 to attack snowblossom? :S
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 06:22:57
the downside of making the multiplier higher is that it makes it easier to attack the network by pretending youve reached a higher field
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 06:23:46
you can't pretend to reach a higher field
Tyler Boone
2018-06-22 06:25:06
well whatever, it makes some other attack four times easier
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 06:43:13
@THX 1138 4EB you have to sustain the attack and commit to a ~10k usd monthly cost to get the capacity at that price point, though
Rotonen
2018-06-22 06:45:23
but as its a small new coin, not unexpected - the largest pool is at like 2/3 of the nethash as well
Rotonen
2018-06-22 06:56:00
@Columna Cripto Did you improve your hashrate with hybrid mining? Mine went down even after increasing threads from 40 to 140.
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:06:35
so i'm trying out the pool miner and notice that the hash just slowly goes up... does anyone else have this issue?
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:09:28
are you talking about the hashrate averaged over one hour? @NoNoo
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:21:41
i guess the initial startup
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:21:43
its going up now
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:21:45
just takes a bit
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:42:07
@THX 1138 4EB lower the thread count for hybrid vs. ssd
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:42:35
also as per what we usually discuss for hashrates, is 1h average after > 2h
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:43:16
also half relatedy my pool motto is `It'll snow for a long time, sit back, relax and watch the glacier grow.`
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:44:55
@NoNoo if you do ram or hybrid mining, it'll start mining before it has finished reading all of the snowfield into memory, thus the more it goes into memory, the faster it can be
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:46:34
@THX 1138 4EB for nvme i've found 8 x hyperthreads to work fine, for sata 4x hyperthreads to work fine, and for ram 1 x hyperthreads to work fine, so i suppose the hybrid optimas would be somewhere in-between, depending on how much of the snow field fits into ram
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:47:23
@THX 1138 4EB what works the best for me is to find the thread count at which not 100% of your cpu is used for verification so no IO ends up queuing (on linux look for any iowait)
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:47:40
to clarify for sata # number of cpu threads to commit to PoW
threads=4 ?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:47:51
gives your os scheduling a bit of wiggle room to juggle the threads, which is especially important if you have multiple NUMA nodes
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:48:07
does anyone know how long the time cycle is on the pool data?
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:48:13
@THX 1138 4EB no, please reread
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:48:25
like is it shares over an hour?
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:48:48
the pool software PPLNS, n = shares over last 5 blocks
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:48:52
so, not time based
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:50:46
for sata 4x8? for nvme 8x8? i'm not sure what the factor is because i don't think you mentioned it
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:51:01
the default value in threads for 1.1.2 is 8 but it used to be 32
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:51:03
@THX 1138 4EB depends on your processor, how many hyperthreads does it expose to the os
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:51:19
@THX 1138 4EB also is it a symmetric or a heterogenous setup (although the latter would surprise me if you have to ask)
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:51:56
well, there is a default, as 1 would be silly and work for no one, so 8 is a good guess for consumer hardware and ram
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:52:19
but as for SSDs you still sorta need to know what you're doing and especially why
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:53:21
i've got an i7 6700 which has four cores and eight threads so total 4x8=32 threads for the whole CPU?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:53:47
thanks @Rotonen
NoNoo
2018-06-22 07:53:51
that is what i'd try for sata and then also get data points for what slightly more or slightly less do
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:54:45
@NoNoo i'm sure @Protovist would declare if he'd modify how the shares work, but declaring that could still be a thing to reduce general confusion with
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:54:57
https://snowplough.kekku.li/ <- like so A Snowblossom mining pool which tries to do things slow, steady, stable and thorough.
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:56:33
@THX 1138 4EB since you are on sata, i'm curious what yours does at 24, 32, 40 - i like being proven wrong by counter examples, just back to the drawing board at that point
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:58:19
@THX 1138 4EB but if i'm correct you can just average with those rough shorthands into the correct ballpark over the snowfield-in-ram ratio for hybrid mining
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:58:57
it'll get more complicated if there can ever be per source tweakables
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:58:59
i have been testing on both an EVO 750 and EVO 850 at the same time. should i shutdown one so they don't affect each other?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 07:59:32
no, the controller should have enough capacity to handle two
Rotonen
2018-06-22 07:59:45
but YMMV, dunno what exact motherboard and also dunno how to tell without trying
Rotonen
2018-06-22 08:00:24
so tweak until satisfied and always give it at least 2h to reach a steady state and show you true numbers
Rotonen
2018-06-22 08:01:02
ok, thanks, wilco
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 08:01:37
also if you're on windows, superfetch and prefetch are counter purpose for you, but if it's a general use computer as well, better not start hacking and slashing bits off either
Rotonen
2018-06-22 08:15:07
i am on windows. maybe superfetch and prefetch can be turned off for specific applications?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 09:55:27
what you said makes no sense, look up what those actually are (and vs. how a traditional fscache would work and how those get in the way of mining)
Rotonen
2018-06-22 09:57:02
i suppose i should scribble my ideas onto a static site
Rotonen
2018-06-22 09:58:56
1gh/s !
bl0ckchain
2018-06-22 09:59:11
i second the idea of scribbling your ideas onto a static site and i second the assertion that i don't talk sense
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 09:59:16
:fearful:
kaka
2018-06-22 09:59:31
estimated network hash rate: 1031.825 Mh/s
kaka
2018-06-22 09:59:35
god
kaka
2018-06-22 10:00:16
where is it coming from? is it an attack?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 10:00:39
no just fomo kicking in
bl0ckchain
2018-06-22 10:00:40
I do not know
kaka
2018-06-22 10:01:14
fomo roughly equal to the value of the nethash not long ago?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 10:01:32
isn't this double where it was at?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 10:03:57
just people getting aware of this project and want a piece of the pie
bl0ckchain
2018-06-22 10:04:28
all at once?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 10:04:43
anyway there isn't enough pie to go around!
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 10:05:18
how am i meant to survive on one snowblossom per week
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 10:08:48
fydel
2018-06-22 10:09:15
madness
fydel
2018-06-22 10:40:04
look up ’z-factor’ in marketing speak
Rotonen
2018-06-22 11:29:23
We are approaching 39!!
cXplexus
2018-06-22 11:29:26
Nooooooo
cXplexus
2018-06-22 11:29:45
Jk better, sooner we are away from RAM the better
cXplexus
2018-06-22 12:00:47
so guys, what are the specs recommended for field 7?
Alexander
2018-06-22 12:40:18
the blockexplorer nethash isnt accurate, proto pool alone had over 1gh last night, making the entire network somewhere around 1.3-1.4gh
Shoots
2018-06-22 12:40:37
:open_mouth:
Kayla
2018-06-22 12:46:20
Where is the accuracy?
kaka
2018-06-22 12:47:32
@cXplexus that’ll happen only at 4TB i predict
Rotonen
2018-06-22 12:49:32
@Rotonen Yes, but the amount of people willing to pay for that kind of compute power will dwindled significantly
cXplexus
2018-06-22 12:52:41
@THX 1138 4EB Morning, acc. to Task Manager it's using the RAM, but i have the same issue with the Hashrate
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:02:11
@THX 1138 4EB got in running with 10gb/8gb in the end, trying threads=32 now
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:10:00
Hi Lads, i'm an absolute beginner here. Any help for settings is more than welcome. I've got an i7-4790S, 16GB RAM, EVO 840. In the moment memfield=true, memfield_precache=8GB, threads=32. I don't really get how you lot calculate your settings.
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:12:58
why 32 threads on a quad core cpu?
Shoots
2018-06-22 13:15:53
Good question. To be honest, i just follow @THX 1138 4EB steps and play around. Should i go back to 8 instead?
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:16:16
This is the 3rd coin test mining with.
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:17:37
*i'm*
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:27:29
@Shoots io scheduling circumvention, but for ram mining would make no sense
Rotonen
2018-06-22 13:30:11
@Shoots essentially forcing the os to just give up and hand things over to hardware, most relevant for sata hardware with native command queuing - a sort of a glacial sumo move
Rotonen
2018-06-22 13:31:12
interesting, and it defaults to 32 threads right?
Shoots
2018-06-22 13:47:23
@Rotonen Hi Pal, do i interpretate your comment right: As long as i use precache, i should use 8 instead of 32 threads? Thanks for the help
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 13:51:20
hoping this red market causing the network hashrate to drop off agian
Shoots
2018-06-22 13:56:24
every time we get close to diff 39 and field 7 btc dumps lol
Shoots
2018-06-22 14:26:11
might make it this time
Fireduck
2018-06-22 14:26:17
hard to say
Fireduck
2018-06-22 14:36:21
if field 7 then am fucked, my rigs have 128Gb ssds for ubuntu 18.04-server and enough storage for field 6 but not for 7 (M.2 on 3 rigs and regular sata 3 on 2)... :cold_sweat:
Kayla
2018-06-22 14:49:04
@Columna Cripto close enough, but there is no hard guarantee i’m 100% correct
Rotonen
2018-06-22 14:49:23
@Columna Cripto as in try it and give feedback
Rotonen
2018-06-22 15:00:18
oh wut, does this mean i have to wait like 14 hours before it can start to mine ?
```[2018-06-22 14:58:24] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner printStats Mining rate: 0.000/sec
[2018-06-22 14:58:24] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner printStats we seem to be stalled, reconnecting to node
[2018-06-22 14:58:24] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner subscribe Subscribed to blocks
[2018-06-22 14:58:24] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: java.lang.RuntimeE
xception: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it
[2018-06-22 14:58:25] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: java.lang.RuntimeE
xception: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it
[2018-06-22 14:58:29] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Generating snow field at 2447.75 writes per second. Estimated total runtime is 13.33 hours. 0.00 complete.```
Kayla
2018-06-22 15:02:09
It's generating the snowfield, you can download the torrent and place it in the snow folder & start mining faster
SidGrip
2018-06-22 15:04:34
i tried
```transmission-cli https://snowblossom.org/snowfields/snowblossom.6.torrent -w /media/storage/snowfields -ep```
but then ended up having the whole system every time i wanted to do anything, even going into a folder that the disk was full
i was able to
```transmission-cli https://snowblossom.org/snowfields/snowblossom.3.torrent -w /media/storage/snowfields -ep```
tho but already at field 6, anyways, my internet is very very slow and even if i have to wait like 14 hours it would still be faster than downloading it over the internet
Kayla
2018-06-22 15:36:36
someone should make the table for when what is faster
Rotonen
2018-06-22 16:03:39
@Rotonen Thanks, i will post my result. 3h with thread 32, now i'm gonna swap to 8 for the next 3h.
Columna Cripto
2018-06-22 16:10:00
@Columna Cripto excellent, thank you
Rotonen
2018-06-22 16:10:59
@Kayla you could get second-hand SSDs relatively cheaply and RAID them for more space
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:19:24
this is to be expected from doubling total hashrate in only 6 hours, i suppose?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:19:54
or should the difficulty have adjusted to stop it?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:20:10
yeah and protopool went down for a couple hours yesterday which also lowered the average diff
Shoots
2018-06-22 16:24:04
hmm, 3% fee for a dodgy pool. sure is tempting
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:25:46
its really not dodgy, protovist is on point with it and had it resolved quickly
Shoots
2018-06-22 16:26:20
it must be hard to attract miners to a new pool with a higher fee than the others
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:26:24
plus you are free to use whichever pool you want
Shoots
2018-06-22 16:26:31
ofc
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:26:38
clearly what protopool is doing is working
Shoots
2018-06-22 16:27:07
what's the max number of transactions per block for snowblossom? will it ever become as bogged down as BTC?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 16:45:25
Making those snow fields pretty complicated to generate is a huge part of the security of the PoW
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:45:49
if it were easy, people would be able to generate parts in memory as needed rather than going to disk
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:47:03
@THX 1138 4EB currently there is a block limit of just bit less than 4MB, due to max message size on grpc
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:47:14
but when needed, we can move that up
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:47:49
also Snowblossom has some features to reduce tx size, like a single signature covers all inputs that need that signature.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:47:59
Bitcoin for example requires each input to be signed on its own.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:48:23
but anyways, in testnet I made blocks of 6000+ transactions at the current limits, which we can increase
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:48:34
so I'm not worried about there being a big mempool backlog
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:48:52
There was a 4000 tx block recently, yes? Forgot what that was for
Jimtalksdata
2018-06-22 16:49:06
probably me screwing around :wink:
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:49:24
but anyone can run 'loadtest' on their client and make a bunch of transactions to themselves
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:49:46
if you have the most recent, it doesn't even pay a fee so doesn't cost anything
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:50:00
but we will probably need to put in a fee floor at some point
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:54:04
attacks with wall of text. It is kinda effective.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:56:13
38.4
cXplexus
2018-06-22 16:56:17
here it comes
cXplexus
2018-06-22 16:56:33
proto just smashing away. Is that a bunch of AWS/GCE? Has to be
cXplexus
2018-06-22 16:57:32
probably decided that was going to field 7, so might as well smash away while they can
Fireduck
2018-06-22 16:57:48
theres 6 people mining on protopool
Shoots
2018-06-22 16:58:02
yes thats the plan, get to field 7
Shoots
2018-06-22 17:00:21
here is a good example, this monster transaction only needs one signature: https://explorer.snowblossom.org/?search=47f84caf2ab98ca98d97cacdf9292081a88637dd3508016ab56248ce842c0290
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:00:42
are you sure a quantum computer will find it difficult to generate the parts of the snowfield needed instead of going to disk?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:00:57
yes, I actually am
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:01:26
The prngs are all based on hashing and to my knowledge there are no attacks on hashing in general that people know of with quantum
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:01:42
the PoW and fields would be fine
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:03:02
no fee to put as many Tx out as you want? i've heard of jerks attacking networks with small pointless transactions to screw the network over
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:03:40
yeah, that will probably be SIP3
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:04:19
hopefully no jerks reading this
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:04:36
it doesn't break the protocol to have the nodes only build blocks with transactions having a fee
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:04:50
but it does break the existing clients that don't pay a fee
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:05:22
I could add the usual exception, of it is at least some non-dumb amount that hasn't moved in X blocks, then no fee
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:05:28
anyways, it is on my list
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:14:00
is the switch to field 7 likely to take place in less than 2 hours?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:15:04
i downloaded it but havent copied it into its place and was not planning to be home for another two hours
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:15:53
i can be home in 25 minutes if I see the snowblossom sign in the sky
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:16:46
that can be SIP4 - should we have spotlights shining into the sky to warn of field changes?
THX 1138 4EB
SIP4, whatever it is, is already doomed
or actually looks like default config was changed
2018-06-22 17:18:23
I was going to have SIP4 be "should we save the kittens from the hydraulic press"
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:18:52
@THX 1138 4EB it will probably be at least 4 or 5 hours, probably
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:20:10
so like, am not even sure if am doing it right, like...
```[2018-06-22 17:16:13] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner subscribe Subscribed to blocks
[2018-06-22 17:16:13] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error:
java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it
[2018-06-22 17:16:13] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Initial write of snow/snowblossom.6/snowblossom.6.sn
ow - 30464 mb done
[2018-06-22 17:16:15] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Initial write of snow/snowblossom.6/snowblossom.6.sn
ow - 30592 mb done
[2018-06-22 17:16:18] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Initial write of snow/snowblossom.6/snowblossom.6.sn
ow - 30720 mb done
[2018-06-22 17:16:19] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Initial write of snow/snowblossom.6/snowblossom.6.sn
ow - 30848 mb done
[2018-06-22 17:16:22] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Initial write of snow/snowblossom.6/snowblossom.6.snow - 30976 mb done```
to 64 gb and then it goes to
```[2018-06-22 17:17:53] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: jav
a.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it
[2018-06-22 17:17:55] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: jav
a.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it
[2018-06-22 17:17:58] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Generating snow field at 2582.66 writes per second. Es
timated total runtime is 12.63 hours. 0.02 complete.
[2018-06-22 17:18:08] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner printStats Mining rate: 0.000/sec
[2018-06-22 17:18:08] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner printStats we seem to be stalled, reconnecting to no
de
[2018-06-22 17:18:08] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner subscribe Subscribed to blocks
[2018-06-22 17:18:08] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: jav
a.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it
[2018-06-22 17:18:09] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Generating snow field at 2554.61 writes per second. Estimated total runtime is 12.77 hours. 0.02 complete.```
and if i CTRL + C and start it again it redo the thingy to 64 GB all over again and then the timer again, should i just let it run, like, the node window is all like
```[2018-06-22 17:18:25] INFO snowblossom.node.SnowUserService sendNewBlocks Error: io.grpc.StatusRuntimeException: CANCELLED: call
already cancelled
[2018-06-22 17:18:55] INFO snowblossom.node.SnowUserService sendNewBlocks Error: io.grpc.StatusRuntimeException: CANCELLED: call
already cancelled
[2018-06-22 17:18:55] INFO snowblossom.node.SnowUserService sendNewBlocks Error: io.grpc.StatusRuntimeException: CANCELLED: call
already cancelled
[2018-06-22 17:19:25] INFO snowblossom.node.SnowUserService sendNewBlocks Error: io.grpc.StatusRuntimeException: CANCELLED: call
already cancelled
[2018-06-22 17:19:25] INFO snowblossom.node.SnowUserService sendNewBlocks Error: io.grpc.StatusRuntimeException: CANCELLED: call already cancelled```
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:20:17
oh shit, wall of text, sorry about that
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:20:47
enerating snow field at 2582.66 writes per second. Estimated total runtime is 12.63 hours. 0.02 complete
Fireduck
You're doing it right, but the easier/faster way is to torrent it from https://snowblossom.org/snowfields/index.html
2018-06-22 17:20:57
That is the key part there, sorry it is so noisy
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:21:44
alrighty, no worries, so i'll just let it run then :slightly_smiling_face:
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:22:14
is it faster? not on my internet connection :disappointed:
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:22:29
like mentioned earlier, slow internet, it would be faster to wait 14 hours than to download a whole 64 gb file even at full torrent speed ^^'
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:22:30
might be smart to download field 7 though
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:22:47
or not
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:23:06
unfortunately, the network is expected to switch to 128 gb field 7 soon
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:23:18
well, you mentioned the second hand ssd but i still have to finish paying for those rigs, can't really afford even a second hand cheap ssd right now :stuck_out_tongue:
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:23:40
it could potentially switch before youve finished writing field 6
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:23:48
oh, rip x)
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:24:10
can i put it on an hdd, have it on a server and the rigs using the same file from that server ? XD
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:24:26
_probably not but worth asking, just in case, who knows x)_
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:25:56
damn typos
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:26:41
your hashrate depends on the speed that your storage is accessed
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:26:56
HDD would be pretty poor
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:27:26
yeah, that's why i would have loved to benchmark it while i could on field 6 with the current M.2 and sata 3 ssds...
just, rip... x)
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:27:33
i dont think there would be an advantage of having multiple rigs accessing the same device. possible detrimental but there are others here who might confirm that
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:28:21
maybe get some cheap USB sticks to run your rigs and put the SSDs together in a RAID to make a bigger disk
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:28:41
i don't think GPU rigs need much disk access after powering on right?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:28:55
alrighty, apparently the sata 3 ssd seems to be faster than the M.2 on the other rig
``` Estimated total runtime is 7.63 hours. 0.00 complete.
[2018-06-22 17:28:26] INFO snowblossom.lib.SnowFall <init> Generating snow field at 4305.68 writes per second.
Estimated total runtime is 7.58 hours. 0.00 complete.
[2018-06-22 17:28:28] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner printStats Mining rate: 0.000/sec
[2018-06-22 17:28:28] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner printStats we seem to be stalled, reconnecting to
node
[2018-06-22 17:28:28] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner subscribe Subscribed to blocks
[2018-06-22 17:28:28] INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to select a field 6 but snowfall is working on it```
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:29:03
:hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed:
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:29:41
uh, i don't have gpu rigs, only cpu rigs with ryzens 2700x, 2700, 2400G and 2200G
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:29:52
GPUs are over
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:30:13
i have just a single 1070, was using it for 3d rendering before starting mining with it x)
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:30:26
not all M.2 configurations are faster than SATA. Some motherboards direct the M.2 traffic along the same path as SATA which i believe is pointless
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:31:09
for best M.2 performance you need a motherboard that directs the traffic through PCIE lanes or a PCI-E card with M.2 slot(s) on it
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:31:50
I don't think a CPU rig would be any different than a GPU rig in terms of need for disk access, right? Is it doing the same kinds of algorithms?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:32:14
i could be wrong. im frequently wrong
THX 1138 4EB
i was told this in 2012
2018-06-22 17:32:31
GPU rig would be pointless, unless you can get a higher bandwidth of the field to the GPU somehow
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:33:26
well, am running them headless without gpu so either way i don't think it would be an issue
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:33:33
@Fireduck I'm just saying that Kayla could put his SSDs together in one rig and put the OS of his CPU rigs on cheap USB sticks
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:34:04
oh yeah, that makes sense
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:34:22
shoud i rename to LUH3417 or wut ? :open_mouth:
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:34:34
however, I have yet to see a motherboard where the IO performance of one drive didn't drasticly go down with traffic on any other drives
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:34:44
even on a system with PCIE card and SATA drives.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:34:50
Using the SATA drives slows down the card.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:34:54
Maybe I just have shit boards.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:36:09
Hi everyone, I'm newbie of this thread. Please help me answer some question:
What size of my NVMe SSD that i need to mine snow?
Did i need to download all snow field,if not, which snow field that i need to download?
cristo
2018-06-22 17:37:50
@Fireduck you mean two drives in RAID 0 would be worse than a single drive on its own?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:38:22
i've certainly noticed that my EVO 850 and 750 do not give good results working at the same time
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:38:59
@THX 1138 4EB in the testing I was doing, I had one miner running the PCIE Intel 750 card and then started up separate miner on a normal SATA SSD
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:39:07
and the first miner slowed down a lot
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:39:08
@cristo you need snowfield 6 and 7 right now but we might switch 7 before you can download 6
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:39:19
you can mine with 7 right now
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:39:24
you can always use a higher field
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:39:28
@THX 1138 4EB btw, i like the idea of running the rig of a usb key and put the disks in RAID to have a bigger one but.. isn't the cpu influence the hashrate too ? like, i mean, wouldn't it be better to have 2x 8 cores / 16 threads than a single rig with a bigger ssd ?
i haven't been able to benchmark the algo just yet (still building that field 6 thingy :p)
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:39:32
oh really i had no idea
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:39:45
download 7 @cristo
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:40:01
@Kayla unless you are memory mining, any modernish CPU can handle the hash rate
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:40:22
The limiting factor is going to be drive bandwidth
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:40:48
memory mining, you mean with 64 (then soon 128) gb or physical RAM ? (i only have 4 Gb on those rigs and 8 Gb on main rig)
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:40:57
yeah
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:41:02
dayum
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:41:10
a bit more ram than that, since you need the OS and the rest of the JVM
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:41:50
might as well forget about RAM mining unless you're willing to buy or rent a server, i think
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:41:59
yeah, probably
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:42:46
Thank all, That's mean i need an ssd have at least 128GB? Which's factor effect to hashrate, CPU speed or SSD read speed?
cristo
2018-06-22 17:43:56
SSD bandwidth
Fireduck
2018-06-22 17:45:15
thing is, am not even sure a 128 GB ssd (that end up having like 121 GB or something like that) can handle the whole 128 Gb field 7 file
else, yeah, i would have considered using the whole ssd just for the file and then / and /home on a cheap hdd or usb key :confused:
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:45:22
dang, still trying to figure it out
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:46:59
and SSD random read (4K read), i think @cristo
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:52:51
dang, so yeah
```/dev/sda4 97519616 234441614 136921999 65.3G Linux filesystem```
65.3G wasn't enough to handle the whole field 6, had to shrink the swap then increased it to like 70G and it now gives the timer (after finishing those thingies to 64 Gb)
so like, probably won't work for field 7 even if i use the whole 128 gb ssd since file a little bit bigger and disk space a little bit smaller :confused:
Kayla
2018-06-22 17:53:06
@THX 1138 4EB the pool with the lowest fee has the least miners - the fee is not all there is to how miners select pools
Rotonen
2018-06-22 17:55:02
sure, there's also reliability but the 3% fee pool went down and none of the pools have any features to speak of :stuck_out_tongue:
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:56:08
maybe one of them has DDOS protection but doesn't advertise it
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:57:44
You could always get a used server with lots of ram, I have a dual quad core running in memory getting between 800-900k. cost the same as one m.2 970 EVO 2tb nvme
also ordered a dual 8 core server with 192gb mem to test, should be here next week:grin:
SidGrip
2018-06-22 17:58:07
I don't see a way around your problem. even if you had enough RAM to hybrid mine, I think you still have to have the whole field on one drive before it gets loaded to RAM @Kayla
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 17:59:25
Kayla is a baller on a budget, much like me
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:01:20
SidGrip know's people have their own and doesn't want us to know he knows!
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:01:24
I know people have their own budgets for mining, just mentioned it so other would know
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:02:35
i have low confidence that i would get a server to mine even if i did get one
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:02:36
, what numbers they could expect from this. Also it is DDR3 800Mhz mem
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:02:49
i’m coming to the conclusion it’s better to leave caching on linux to fscache than to do hybrid - the hybridisation is useful on windows for preventing windows from constantly pushing non-snowfield crap into fscache
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:03:12
yeah, linux pretty damn good at this somehow
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:03:54
@Fireduck mostly a function of an idle system not hitting the disk for useless reasons all the time
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:04:42
@Fireduck nothing special different between the caches themselves, expiry by LRU
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:06:51
I have low expectations sometimes
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:07:51
do you know the model names of either of your servers? @SidGrip
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:08:59
the one I am running now is a Dell PowerEdge R710. The one I have on order is a HP ProLiant DL385 G7
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:10:10
I figure once they become useless for snowblossom then I could run them for Sia coin
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:10:14
@SidGrip that’ll actually be a complicated question - how many memory channels do you have per numa node, how many dimms per channel, are the memory controllers per socket or per numa node, how many numa nodes per socket, how are the l2 cache interconnects done within a numa node, is there l3, is the l3 per socket or per numa node, what are the cache hit penalties within and between numa nodes at l1 - l2 - l3, what is the local memory miss penalty
and all of the above can also be non-symmetric
and on skylake-e(p) all of the above is a mesh / graph of asymmetric connectivity
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:10:42
i’m half sure i missed a couple of things, but just off the top of my head
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:11:52
I'm half sure I understand none of that, :joy: Just bought it to test, but now know I will look deeper into finding those specs, thank you sir!
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:12:03
Sia coin has ASICS on it; maybe you arleady know
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:12:11
@Rotonen can I hire you to make hardware recommendations?
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:12:13
for hosting files @THX 1138 4EB
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:12:31
but as a rule of thumb, try, and newer is genuinely better when it comes to high mem / multi socket
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:12:56
I wonder how my G34 24 core machine stacks up. :wink:
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:13:05
@Fireduck not an impossible thought
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:14:14
I was looking at newer, I think 5k used is a little out of my budget for now:grin:
SidGrip
2018-06-22 18:15:36
@Fireduck i rented a lake for the first week of july to have peace and quiet to fiddle with parallelity / ci operational density experiments for various parties, but you can probably out offer and oust some
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:17:19
@SidGrip you can rent old servers at 100 .. 300 monies per month (i often shorthand ’monies’ as usd eur gbp chf all preserve order of magnitude within the group)
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:18:18
100-300 credits
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:19:39
@Rotonen I was mostly thinking fairly limited and informal, like hey what motherboard should I get if I plan on putting 4 PCIE cards of some description in and want good bandwidth to them all (as an example)
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:21:19
@Fireduck trivialities for snow tips, sure, real deal stuff currently starting at usd 300 / hour, fiat only, invoices and wire transfers only, real corporate entities from whitelisted countries only
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:22:16
fair enough
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:23:08
based on what I've seen here, you are absolutely worth it
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:24:02
i’ll try to find time to collect some of my ideas onto static pages
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:24:41
or more like a poor man’s wizard / choose your own adventure of a tree of html pages
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:25:35
@Fireduck maybe better add some time limit ?
INFO: Mining rate: 1826315.867/sec - at this rate 9.799 min
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 18:25:43
hah, you are now in the bog of eternal irq conflicts. You are facing north. The bios says keyboard not detected, press any key to continue.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:26:16
10 minutes it's more than block time sometimes
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 18:26:27
oh, the memories of first gen plug and play hardware bugs, true horror
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:27:00
@AlexCrow true, but the mining pool is keeping share counts from previous blocks. The mining pool won't forget about you until 5 blocks worth of shares on that pool alone.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:27:15
@Fireduck *presses Esc*
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:27:27
But there is a problem where you eventually get lucky on a few shares and get kicked up to a higher difficulty with the pool
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:27:44
making the share rate really unpredictable
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:28:06
control systems are hard
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:28:43
but grab an automation engineering intro book if you actually wanna tackle that stuff
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:30:18
in this case, I either need to make it harder to go up a level (needing 4 shares in a minute rather than 3)
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:30:30
or have something that drops back down based on observed rate
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:30:50
the later solution being harder to write and more correct :wink:
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:31:59
proportional, integral, derivative, PID, made for just that - will avoid the eternal wiggle up and down and just keep you low enough
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:33:14
fine, make me read web pages with maths
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:33:17
it is good for me
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:33:37
you tried to get me to pay attention to this before
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:35:22
jesus, this is exactly what was I struggling with reasoning about for the difficulty adjustment
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:39:34
glad to be of help
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:40:19
I think my diff adjustment only does P and I
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:40:44
and that’s exactly why it overshoots constantly
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:41:22
D is the hard bit, though, but at least you have a simple case and mining is analogous to fluid flow
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:41:55
I am talking about the difficulty adjustment for the entire protocol, not the mining pool <-> mining client stuff
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:42:04
the mining pool is pretty dumb
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:42:54
ouchie, then, yeah, read up on control systems more, there are n+1 well known unintuitive pitfalls out there
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:43:14
https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/blob/master/lib/src/PowUtil.java#L109 ```
public static BigInteger calcNextTarget(BlockSummary prev_summary, NetworkParams params, long clock_time)
```
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:43:23
and that’s relevant for you as people will / already are gaming it
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:48:59
in real life analogue D is roughly the thing your brain does for you when driving a car and speeding up to highway speed to match traffic with a proper safety distance, or when you gently break to a halt to a specific spot
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:49:26
or in your case targets a difficulty
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:53:41
or if one drives manual, how you use the clutch and gas to take off from a stand still, especially flat vs. uphill demonstrates the D well
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:56:48
and of course I'll have to figure that out with only integers in a deterministic way
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:56:57
in order to game it you have to pulse mine, right? i've seen on other coins people rent nicehash for like a few minute or something to put as much as 50X nethash on the coin so they get a load of coins and then they leave the difficulty really high and it can take literally days to find the next block
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:56:59
I actually considered having a deterministic neural network
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:57:22
this happened a lot to a cryptonite shitcoin called alloy and the devs were slow as hell to respond to it
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:57:22
you’re in luck as most implementations out there are 8bit microcontrollers
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:57:48
I might not know all the tricks but I am pretty fast
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:58:38
but snowblossom might be a hard thing for nicehash to offer cause you've got to download the fields first
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:58:49
i think that wouldnt be a problem for http://miningrigrentals.com
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 18:59:05
that would be pretty funny
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:59:05
in other news 165KH/s on the 960 pro, but i took a hacksaw to some kernel safeguards
Rotonen
2018-06-22 18:59:25
ah, commenting out code, the best way to optimize
Fireduck
2018-06-22 18:59:35
exactly
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:00:50
used to do HLDS servers for competitive play, which quickly evolved into consulting for high frequency trading before they went full bonkers and FPGA stuff took over
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:01:14
actually funnily similar to ASIC mining, coming to think of it
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:01:28
ah, a company I worked for made an infiniband messaging system for trading as well
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:02:10
but good to see my bag of dirty tricks has not rot since the 2.2 kernels and ipchains were the new hot sexy stuff
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:03:04
@Fireduck did they also get undercut by spanish ex-automotive-c++ gurus in the end as i did?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:04:06
I think they got undercut but not selling any products and only ever made any money from those little side consulting gigs.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:04:23
Then they turned into some sort of metrics company (Librato, now owned by Solar Winds or something)
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:05:10
metrics and analytics were easy money until a couple of years ago as well
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:05:20
not a mad choice
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:08:29
@AlexCrow here is an improvement for having your miner end up with such a high difficulty: a6286373aa0c1fce7486126f7e666a58025afc2d
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:08:36
Tell whichever pool you are on to update :wink:
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:08:48
https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/commit/a6286373aa0c1fce7486126f7e666a58025afc2d
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:09:19
@Fireduck thank you!
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:09:33
I use protopool
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:11:17
I've restarted all my miners few minutes ago
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:12:13
@Fireduck btw. what’s with the GC getting in the way of performance? is the new one generational or something?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:12:27
@Protovist There is an uprising of (1) miner wanting a new code change that I just put in
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:12:54
@Rotonen talking about the windows command line option to use the old GC?
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:13:05
@AlexCrow how did you come to choose protopool?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:13:15
Stability
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:13:26
isn't it pretty new?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:13:36
@Fireduck yeah, but that’s working better for me on linux as well, openjdk 8, nvme
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:13:38
it's the newest addition to the list
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:13:47
snowfun gets me on 10% less hashrate
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:14:14
@Rotonen no idea. I tried to avoid object creation where I could in the main mining loop but can only do so much
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:14:27
higher hashrate on a different pool?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:14:36
well slap my head and call me sally
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:14:40
on windows, without that GC it was needing twice the field size to memory mine for some reason
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:15:02
@THX 1138 4EB all three public pools report a different thing, for one :D
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:15:17
no - I know my average hash rate and snowfun gives me -10%
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:15:31
The pools are only making a wild guess about your hash rate based on the shares they observe
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:15:41
what your miner reports is way more accurate
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:16:12
anything other than the 1h rate is not meaningful - that’s why i’m only showing that one
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:16:35
plus the change I just put in will make it more stable overall once the pools update
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:16:53
It's my miner shows me - 1.8Mh/s on solo or protopool and 1.68 - 1.7Mh/s on snowfun
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:17:30
@AlexCrow the 1h metric after over 2h of mining?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:17:51
ha, pool idea, report a higher mining rate so people think you are better
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:17:59
note: I don't think that is what is happening
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:18:08
Yeah I was waiting around 1 hour
AlexCrow
2018-06-22 19:18:40
@Fireduck how large are the work assignments?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:19:52
They start at diff 22
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:20:11
and increase it if they get 3 shares in a minute
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:20:34
with my new change it is increase if 6 shares in 2 minutes
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:21:01
but nothing should be networking dependent?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:21:20
not at all
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:21:30
as long as the latency is less than maybe 20 seconds
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:21:43
so anything closer than the moon should be fine
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:22:06
never underestimate rural DSL
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:22:32
I had a T1 once where I had to get used to typing with a 15 second lag
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:22:40
That provider was not our favorite
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:22:55
already forgot about ATM, yeah
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:23:23
I'm sure the T1 to their network was fine, just their network was crap
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:23:51
48bit frames on 32bit stacks, bugs galore
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:24:39
char == byte == word is so common per intel people forgot things, many things
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:24:40
heh, fun. The fee on snowday vs snowplough is exactly the same for me
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:25:23
@Fireduck wanted to differentiate by nodonate, as that was the easy thing
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:25:38
sure
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:26:01
the fact that protopool didnt choose a snow-themed name is enough to put me off
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:26:04
also sorta sure you got in early enough
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:26:27
yeah, I am fine regardless
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:26:44
it just cuts my temptation to run my own pool which I shouldn't
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:26:47
for centralization reasons
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:27:04
@THX 1138 4EB The UI codename is "flurry" if that makes you feel better.
Protovist
2018-06-22 19:27:42
@Fireduck Thanks, I will monitor the uprising closely. :slightly_smiling_face:
Protovist
2018-06-22 19:28:07
I watched Proto straight ruin a coin before
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:28:10
Not his fault
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:28:19
It was funny, believe it was your pool
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:28:27
Huh? Which coin is that?
Protovist
2018-06-22 19:28:33
Reef? LOL
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:28:41
Were you involved in that?
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:28:48
Nope, not familiar with it.
Protovist
2018-06-22 19:28:53
is he such a giant he does not even note them all?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:28:58
Hmm.
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:29:11
No. I thought it was protopool.
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:29:37
They loopholed the code it was funny
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:31:14
Must be another protopool, http://protopool.io was only registered about a month ago and this is the first real pool for it.
Protovist
2018-06-22 19:31:57
the name sounds ripe for coincidental use
Rotonen
2018-06-22 19:32:00
hopefully snowblossom is resistant to the loophole attack
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:38:31
No
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:39:19
It's because they tried to do a MN release without a MN for premine, and they had missing code people were able to fill in and pool mine with GPU before the MN was up
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:39:25
it was a big blunder
cXplexus
2018-06-22 19:40:30
oh hey proto, haven't seen you in awhile :slightly_smiling_face:
Kayla
2018-06-22 19:44:05
I believe in the duck and the rest of the teams ability to prevent any type of stupid issue like what happened with Reef. I also believe in them to not implement master nodes
Shoots
2018-06-22 19:44:28
cypto plebs convinced HCLivess to implement masternodes into BIS and now he's been wasting a lot of his time on that
Shoots
2018-06-22 19:49:50
what the hell are master nodes? That sounds terrible, like something from ripple.
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:50:49
you havent heard of master nodes?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:51:19
i don't know what they are but i heard about them a few times
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:53:09
people have to stake a minimum quantity of coins to have a masternode and they earn some coins regularly for doing that and need to have a server or something for the purpose so their node can do whatever it is a master node does idk
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:53:48
ok, cool
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:53:56
Basically, thin nodes versus "full nodes"
Clueless
2018-06-22 19:53:57
so some terrible PoS related business
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:53:57
it's also a popular way of scamming people to pay the "devs" money for enough coins to have a masternode before the mining starts and then the "devs" scarper
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:54:49
I haven't follow the shitcoin buffet enough to know the things people do
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:55:00
other than the classics of ICO on vaporware and premining
Fireduck
2018-06-22 19:55:37
PoW coins can have masternodes but they must also have a PoS element for the masternodes
THX 1138 4EB
2018-06-22 19:58:14
I've created an <#CBCKZ3Z4J|announcements> channel
Clueless
2018-06-22 20:01:31
Should we send @ channel messages there or just regular messages?
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:01:45
I've thus far assumed no one wants a ton of notifications
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:02:37
Hey @Kayla welcome to the storm!
Protovist
2018-06-22 20:07:44
hm, how did protopool get so big
Clueless
2018-06-22 20:09:16
stability
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:09:42
not being serious
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:13:58
It must be my amazing CSS skills.
Protovist
2018-06-22 20:14:21
Or is that CSS kills?
Protovist
2018-06-22 20:14:57
pay_the_duck=0.01
fydel
2018-06-22 20:15:16
does this mean 0.01% or 1% ?
fydel
2018-06-22 20:15:31
1%
Protovist
2018-06-22 20:15:36
oki
fydel
2018-06-22 20:16:13
my favourite crypto ponzi so far is the eth contract the creator hastily backed out of
Rotonen
2018-06-22 20:16:22
It looks like our objective of 1 mining pool per user will be true soon
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:17:38
@Protovist the network code of source was flakier and userside physics were a bad idea - 1.5 / WON for life :P
Rotonen
2018-06-22 20:18:32
idea: second life on the blockchain
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:18:53
@Fireduck ooh no, MUDs
Rotonen
2018-06-22 20:19:50
ah, again in the bog of eternal IRQ conflicts
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:22:29
no, the magic incantation parsers were arguably worse
Rotonen
2018-06-22 20:27:21
@Rotonen My Counter-Strike skills are even less than style sheets.
Protovist
2018-06-22 20:29:21
@Protovist got paid for playing at some point, got into hosting servers, a few turns and over a decade later cannot hit the side of a barn, but enjoying finding tweaks for snowblossom mining
Rotonen
2018-06-22 20:37:15
My favorite host from peer gossip: host: "<script>"
Fireduck
2018-06-22 20:41:39
there has been a few of us dedicating a large amount of hr to protopool since before it was public, hr trumps the small difference in fees and encourages othre miners to join, but in reality the majority of the hr is still the same few people
Shoots
2018-06-22 20:57:17
CSS or CSGO. Pfff..
Kids don’t even know what 1.3 was like. Half life on CDs and pre-steam
cXplexus
2018-06-22 20:58:03
What really ruins gaming is all the loot boxing
Clueless
2018-06-22 21:04:42
@Clueless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ZGL1ihrt4 YouTube Video: E3 2018 - Loot Box Coin
fydel
2018-06-22 21:17:37
Any idea why?
Johannes
2018-06-22 21:17:59
miner is dropping in hash-rate simulanously
Johannes
2018-06-22 21:27:24
@cXplexus remember when cars were introduced?
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:28:08
@Clueless the shareholders disagree, but thst’s the tragedy
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:29:49
@Rotonen and anyone that buys from game companies like aren't real gamers
Clueless
2018-06-22 21:32:46
@Clueless i’m not into unnecessary tribalism like that - people do what they enjoy on their free time - you might not agree with their tastes or perspective, but meh
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:33:24
disclaimer, i did mobile games for a few years, i do have a kinked perspective
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:33:44
@Johannes known bug, unknown cause but nothing to worry about
Fireduck
2018-06-22 21:34:49
OK then, @Fireduck, thanks
Johannes
2018-06-22 21:36:58
@Rotonen I wouldn't call it unnecessary tribalism.
How else are you supposed to hold the company accountable except for tribing together and refusing to give them money?
Clueless
2018-06-22 21:38:43
Even if you enjoy the game, it's a compromised story for the effect of squeezing you for money.
Everyone should be in uproar at being manipulated and stolen from in terms of quality.
Clueless
2018-06-22 21:39:15
@Clueless buy stock and raise it in the annual general meeting, that’s how companies work
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:40:37
stockholder activism is so much on the rise currently that pwc is selling mitigation strategy consulting for it
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:41:30
but should take banter like this off <#CAS0CNA3U|general> - there’s <#CAR9AKG64|random> for that
Rotonen
2018-06-22 21:42:03
or #zac_vs_earth
Fireduck
2018-06-22 21:53:21
I'll make that if you want to hear my insane rants
Clueless
2018-06-22 22:02:34
I think I already have a front row seat
Fireduck
2018-06-22 22:45:36
I think Mackelmore is on my bus
Fireduck
2018-06-22 23:04:18
Neat, electrum malware/thieves are trying phish people with my username on /r/electrum
Clueless
2018-06-22 23:30:08
I'd like some ideas on improving our User Guide https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/wiki/User-Guide
Clueless
2018-06-22 23:35:27
finally got my 970 pro
Fireduck
2018-06-22 23:35:32
rsyncing now
Fireduck
2018-06-22 23:39:16
@Fireduck guessing 125k @ 8 threads
Rotonen
2018-06-22 23:41:20
@Fireduck if it drops over time, try positioning a fan at it to see if thermal concerns are a thing - not a thing on the 960 pro
Rotonen
2018-06-22 23:53:21
Getting 62k, but maybe this machine sucks
Fireduck
2018-06-22 23:53:32
24 core old amd g34 socket machine
Fireduck