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2018-10-25 03:49:09
Mr.Krabs
@Clueless thank you for the welcome, sir
2018-10-25 03:50:01
Fireduck
what is the crabby patty recipe!
2018-10-25 03:52:18
Mr.Krabs
@Fireduck as we all know it's very secret but don't worry, it doesn't contain duck meat:grinning:
2018-10-25 03:52:45
Fireduck
just making sure we are on the same page
2018-10-25 03:54:57
Mr.Krabs
same page ? Do you live in Bikini Bottom, sir ?
2018-10-25 03:55:26
Fireduck
No, it would dampen my :fire:
2018-10-25 03:57:48
Mr.Krabs
ah right:grin:
2018-10-25 04:01:06
Mr.Krabs
I would be happy if one day I announce to people that the Krusty Krab accepts SNOW as a means of payment
2018-10-25 04:05:42
Fireduck
good
2018-10-25 04:08:03
Mr.Krabs
@Fireduck hey sir Bitcoin has a wide network because at first many people distributed it for free, as Gavin Andresen had done. will you do it too?
2018-10-25 04:12:59
Clueless
@Mr.Krabs we don't have any premine
2018-10-25 04:16:55
Fireduck
by which he means we don't have a huge amount to give out
2018-10-25 04:17:01
aikida3k
@fydel It looks like hamster pool is having some issues? I kept getting 'block is too old errors' and switched to satoshis guru and now everything seems to be okay.
2018-10-25 04:17:08
Mr.Krabs
I know that, sir but that doesn't mean we can't set aside a little for us to share with people to get to know our network
2018-10-25 04:19:10
Mr.Krabs
@Fireduck we don't have to share in a huge amount sir
2018-10-25 04:19:12
aikida3k
the culture here is more like you have to learn in order to get SNOW. So you have to learn how to mine on NVMe or learn to mine with RAM or learn to mine with a PI
2018-10-25 04:19:31
Clueless
Or buy some
2018-10-25 04:19:42
aikida3k
IMO but @Clueless and @Fireduck can correct me if iM wront
2018-10-25 04:19:43
aikida3k
g
2018-10-25 04:19:50
Clueless
We have plenty of testnet to test with though.
2018-10-25 04:20:26
aikida3k
yes. or buy some :slightly_smiling_face: But if you learn enough, you learn that you can buy it for a reasonable price in lieu of mining
2018-10-25 04:20:43
Mr.Krabs
@Fireduck I want to mine it Do you have any suggestions about hardware that I have to buy?
2018-10-25 04:21:50
Fireduck
most cost effective is to drop about $5k and setup a ram mining fleet using the arktika miner
2018-10-25 04:22:22
Fireduck
but you can do ok putting an nvme in any reasonable computer
2018-10-25 04:26:24
Mr.Krabs
at a cost of $ 5k, how much hashrate will we get?
2018-10-25 04:27:42
Fireduck
I haven't actually built the thing I've speced out, so not sure. Probably about 3mh/s
2018-10-25 04:30:04
Clueless
@Mr.Krabs you can probably get 1mh/s per $1000ish
2018-10-25 04:34:06
Mr.Krabs
can mining SNOW start from $ 1000 ?
2018-10-25 04:35:05
Fireduck
not for the most cost effective, unfortunately. The most effective right now is mining using ram, so you need to get at least 128gb + OS of ram
2018-10-25 04:35:15
Fireduck
it can be across multiple computers but still ram isn't cheap
2018-10-25 04:35:30
Fireduck
you can do nvme/ssd mining for a lot cheaper
2018-10-25 04:53:58
Mr.Krabs
I have an old computer with Core i3 3110M @ 2.4GHz I just have to replace the HHD to SSD with that, how much hashrate will I get?
2018-10-25 04:54:50
Fireduck
depends on the spec of the ssd, but probably 20kh/s
2018-10-25 04:55:07
Fireduck
if you pick one, we can do the math and give a closer estimate
2018-10-25 04:55:21
Fireduck
you want as high as possibly random read operations per second
2018-10-25 05:01:46
Mr.Krabs
what if we use a 256GB Samsung 860 EVO SSD ?
2018-10-25 05:02:36
Fireduck
let me check
2018-10-25 05:04:15
Fireduck
Random (QD32): Up to 98,000 IOPS
2018-10-25 05:05:44
Fireduck
98/6 = 16
2018-10-25 05:05:48
Fireduck
so 16kh/s
2018-10-25 05:05:58
Fireduck
not sure what qd32 means
2018-10-25 05:06:03
Fireduck
queue depth?
2018-10-25 05:07:50
Mr.Krabs
ok
2018-10-25 05:07:53
Mr.Krabs
if we still have enough space to install snowfields, can we mine with some snowfield using 1 processor?
2018-10-25 05:07:59
fydel
@aikida3k all back to normal now. the pool missed an update. thanks for the heads up.
2018-10-25 05:08:56
Fireduck
@Mr.Krabs you can use as many or as few processors as you like
2018-10-25 05:09:12
Fireduck
as long as you can store at least the current field (128gb)
2018-10-25 05:10:49
fydel
@finex check and make sure you run the latest version. there was a little bug that can break your pool.
2018-10-25 05:13:26
Mr.Krabs
@Fireduck I mean this, if we have 1 TB of SSD. can we mine using 5 snowfield (in 1 SSD) using 1 processor ?
2018-10-25 05:25:37
Fireduck
you mean have 5 copies of the snowfield?
2018-10-25 05:25:56
Fireduck
that won't help you get any better speed, the limiting factor is number of IOs you can get out of the SSD per second
2018-10-25 05:27:16
Mr.Krabs
yes
2018-10-25 05:28:52
Mr.Krabs
ok, I started to understand
2018-10-25 05:42:34
Fireduck
hash rate is going up
2018-10-25 05:46:43
mjay
Using just one copy of the snowfield will give you better hashrate as the ram you have can be used for caching
2018-10-25 05:47:33
mjay
a few percent, depending on how much you have
2018-10-25 06:30:37
Clueless
@Mr.Krabs we're here to help you get started and we can help you test things. :)
2018-10-25 08:58:00
Mr.Krabs
@Clueless Thank you very much, sir
2018-10-25 09:58:38
Rotonen
why some modern SSDs are good for snowblossom and why some are bad, is a very difficult concept to explain to the uninitiated
2018-10-25 09:59:14
Rotonen
the read iops shorthand is a good catch by @Fireduck in regards to 'just look at this number'
2018-10-25 14:02:53
offmenu
hashrate up a lot last day or so. I love the idea of getting a big RAM rig with 512gb but I'm worried if the hash rate goes up too fast nd im stuck with this setup with no secondary market to resell
2018-10-25 14:04:02
offmenu
I think maybe just renting space to mine until the reward reduction might be a better play than buying the hardware
2018-10-25 15:27:56
Fireduck
@offmenu you can always add more nodes and have them use each other's ram to mine with the arktika miner
2018-10-25 15:28:01
Fireduck
it works surprisingly well
2018-10-25 15:28:13
offmenu
i have to read about the arktika miner
2018-10-25 15:28:19
Fireduck
but anything beyond 128gb is not cheap
2018-10-25 15:28:38
Fireduck
though I have an old dell server with ddr2 that wasn't too bad
2018-10-25 15:28:44
Fireduck
but the monster uses 700w
2018-10-25 15:31:24
offmenu
wow
2018-10-25 15:31:51
Fireduck
it has riser cards to put all the ram slots
2018-10-25 15:31:55
Fireduck
a true monster of computing
2018-10-25 15:32:05
Fireduck
new the damn thing probably cost $15k
2018-10-25 15:32:10
Fireduck
I got it for $700
2018-10-25 15:32:17
offmenu
wuuuuut
2018-10-25 15:32:35
Fireduck
it is pretty old
2018-10-25 15:34:35
offmenu
i have an idea to get a cheap dell mobo with 8xdimm slots and buy 4x64gb ram, and then use a 16gb in the 5th slot for OS. then mine until 512gb activates and then upgrade with an addition couple 128gb sticks. The thing is those 128gb are expensive but they could potentially go down in $$$ by the time those fields activate, unless snow becomes very popular and they activate very quickly
2018-10-25 15:35:28
offmenu
wow so that server comes with 256gb for 900?
2018-10-25 15:35:44
Fireduck
I am not very knowledgable on modern server hardware but can't seem to spec anything beyond 128gb without it being extremely expensive
2018-10-25 15:35:57
offmenu
yeah those 128gb sticks are like 3k almost haha
2018-10-25 15:35:58
Fireduck
yeah, that one is even ddr3, so super fancy
2018-10-25 15:36:04
offmenu
shit!
2018-10-25 15:36:08
offmenu
delete that :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
2018-10-25 15:36:19
offmenu
jk
2018-10-25 15:36:57
Fireduck
my plan was to build a solid 128gb node and just add nodes as needed
2018-10-25 15:37:08
Fireduck
starting with three nodes to do 256gb field size with some os head room
2018-10-25 15:37:19
Fireduck
might need to upgrade to 10gb networking
2018-10-25 15:37:30
Fireduck
even that old r900 maxes out my gig network
2018-10-25 15:44:21
Fireduck
I haven't actually built one of those yet so not sure how it will do
2018-10-25 15:45:40
offmenu
ah thats a cool website
2018-10-25 15:45:54
offmenu
im gonna try running the arktika today
2018-10-25 15:46:00
offmenu
looks complicated
2018-10-25 15:46:10
Fireduck
it is complicated
2018-10-25 15:46:23
Fireduck
hard to avoid without building in a bunch of autodiscovery
2018-10-25 15:46:33
Fireduck
which would probably just make it way more complicated
2018-10-25 15:46:54
Fireduck
certainly room for improvement especially around logging and reporting
2018-10-25 17:28:00
Fireduck
There is a new version (1.4.1) that fixes an issue where nodes go into a state where they are not doing anything useful. I'd suggest updating all nodes to 1.4.1 soonish.
2018-10-25 17:28:24
Fireduck
No protocol or consensus problem, just nodes effectively going offline until restart