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2018-06-18 00:41:43
cXplexus
Great news
2018-06-18 01:01:24
ninja
Isn't wallet encrypted? I am not familiar with technology, but is this ok?
2018-06-18 01:07:19
Fireduck
Wallet is not encrypted
2018-06-18 01:07:47
Fireduck
We plan to add that but honestly people lose more coin from lost password than they do to theft
2018-06-18 01:18:06
cXplexus
^
2018-06-18 05:21:12
Clueless
@ninja For now it's perfectly fine. Just don't have a malware addled machine. :(
2018-06-18 05:45:03
quantumblockz
@Clueless That's too much to ask for most people.
2018-06-18 05:45:40
Clueless
@quantumblockz @ninja If there's malware on your machine, encrypting the wallet file won't matter.
2018-06-18 05:45:54
Clueless
malware can just keylog, and steal the wallet file.
2018-06-18 05:45:55
quantumblockz
I was half kidding btw
2018-06-18 05:46:06
quantumblockz
Forgot the lol
2018-06-18 05:46:43
Clueless
@quantumblockz @ninja It is funny that a lot of people have been tricked into thinking that mentioning the word "encryption" means it's safe.
2018-06-18 05:47:02
Clueless
All encryption does is protect you from some other person with access to your hardware.
2018-06-18 05:47:12
Clueless
Which is better if you encrypt the entire hard drive.
2018-06-18 05:47:25
Clueless
encrypting the wallet file alone is honestly next to pointlesss.
2018-06-18 05:48:04
THX 1138 4EB
if you're making me choose between snowblossom and bonzai body and my handy browser toolbars and 1001 free smileys then sorry, snowblossom is gonna lose every time
2018-06-18 05:48:18
Clueless
@quantumblockz @ninja We intend to add wallet file encryption later, it's good for backups and such, but it's not important yet. :) We're gearing up to work on wallets a bit soon, but we've been focused on the backbone.
2018-06-18 05:49:03
Clueless
Backups are very important
2018-06-18 05:49:05
Clueless
:)
2018-06-18 05:49:30
Jimtalksdata
In the meantime, your backup solution should do client-side encryption anyways :p
2018-06-18 05:49:32
Clueless
@ninja forgive me if that was abrasive. We will add it. :)
2018-06-18 06:17:42
Rotonen
@quantumblockz the pow problem of snowblossom is nuanced and hard, a publicly editable wiki will only serve to concentrate the confusion and beliefs
2018-06-18 06:19:08
Rotonen
people lump all ’ssd’ into one, the next level up looks at benchmark stats, etc.
2018-06-18 06:23:39
THX 1138 4EB
cool, i'm on the next level up
2018-06-18 06:28:03
quantumblockz
@Rotonen My idea is to gather the benchmarks, stats, etc. so everyone can get an idea of what kind of hashrate they can expect from their own hardware.
2018-06-18 06:29:32
quantumblockz
It could also aid the team by providing insights into the kinds of hardware they want to avoid. Similar to a lot of algorithms designed to keep away ASICs, they could improve it to keep away threatening storage devices.
2018-06-18 06:30:54
quantumblockz
I've been trying to query some people here who have been mining on their own about what their experience has been mining this so far. Since a lot of people are not to chatty, I figured I'd make an anonymous survey to collect the information I need.
2018-06-18 06:36:56
samspeed
Dual e5 2628lv2 256G RAM mem-miner 1.22MH/s
2018-06-18 06:39:11
samspeed
Dual e5 2628lv2 96G RAM mem-miner 975KH/s
2018-06-18 06:43:11
THX 1138 4EB
256 GB RAM??
2018-06-18 06:43:54
Johannes
Jesus, where do you get machines like that, @samspeed?
2018-06-18 06:55:51
ppp
It seems that SSD is more efficient than memory.
2018-06-18 06:57:23
THX 1138 4EB
memory is way more efficient
2018-06-18 06:58:32
quantumblockz
He's got premium servers
2018-06-18 06:58:55
quantumblockz
Not very many desktop mobos support that kind of memory
2018-06-18 07:04:58
Rotonen
@Johannes pretty typical server hardware
2018-06-18 07:05:12
THX 1138 4EB
how much of the network is made up of desktops vs enterprise-grade machines
2018-06-18 07:05:39
Johannes
yeah, but renting irons like this is crazy expensive - and his employer probably wouldn't like him mining on the company's servers :wink:
2018-06-18 07:05:46
Rotonen
everyone above 1MH/s is either a workstation or a server
2018-06-18 07:06:21
THX 1138 4EB
where does it list the different people's hashrates?
2018-06-18 07:06:29
Johannes
is Optane already available in desktop machines? :stuck_out_tongue:
2018-06-18 07:08:24
Rotonen
@Johannes not really all that expensive, to rent something a couple of generations old, though: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market/sortcol/price/sorttype/down/ram/256/country/US Administration interface for Dedicated Root Server and domains
2018-06-18 07:08:43
Johannes
ah, hetzner
2018-06-18 07:09:10
Rotonen
their used server auction system is almost made for this
2018-06-18 07:10:00
Rotonen
@THX 1138 4EB at least the pools list miner hashrates
2018-06-18 07:10:59
Rotonen
although no one is currently really mining on mine, it seems: https://snowplough.kekku.li/
2018-06-18 07:11:03
THX 1138 4EB
i could only connect to one pool's website and it didnt list anything but the network hash
2018-06-18 07:12:21
Rotonen
i do small tweaks to the website of mine every few days now, the stats started being updated only a couple of days ago
2018-06-18 07:13:57
THX 1138 4EB
you can't copy one of the other common pool designs?
2018-06-18 07:14:13
THX 1138 4EB
most of the pools i've used for other cryptocurrencies follow a similasr theme
2018-06-18 08:22:41
Clueless
@THX 1138 4EB that stuff will come in time
2018-06-18 09:00:14
Rotonen
@THX 1138 4EB i do not welcome anything dynamic at request time
2018-06-18 09:02:11
THX 1138 4EB
i don't know what that means
2018-06-18 09:12:43
ppp
Why different computers. Wallet addresses are different. I copied the same wallet on every computer.
2018-06-18 09:38:46
Rotonen
@THX 1138 4EB take that as the crowd this one is pulling in is not the same most other projects do :-)
2018-06-18 10:34:11
ppp
how to set mining in a pool use the miner-mem
2018-06-18 10:45:49
quantumblockz
@ppp In miner.conf, set pool_host=<pool url>
2018-06-18 10:46:27
ppp
Memory
2018-06-18 10:47:05
quantumblockz
Same parameter
2018-06-18 10:48:55
ppp
I added. But I've been in solo
2018-06-18 10:52:55
quantumblockz
@ppp Try running miner-pool.bat
2018-06-18 10:53:04
quantumblockz
That'll be the one to connect you to the pool.
2018-06-18 10:59:05
ppp
in solo
2018-06-18 11:04:04
ppp
I want to test the speed of mining in separate memory. or a separate hard drive.
2018-06-18 11:52:29
cXplexus
@ppp you don’t have enough memory
2018-06-18 11:58:42
Rotonen
no, you just have not configured to allow java to use enough memory
2018-06-18 11:59:16
Rotonen
look at the contents of the bat file, should be fairly obvious from that
2018-06-18 12:03:32
cXplexus
Yeah, read that wrong
2018-06-18 12:35:43
ppp
my ram is 32gb
2018-06-18 12:50:30
samspeed
need 96G more
2018-06-18 12:54:30
AlexCrow
@Fireduck do we have any rich list ?
2018-06-18 15:03:03
cXplexus
Nvm
2018-06-18 15:03:07
cXplexus
Wrong folder haha
2018-06-18 15:07:55
ppp
#wtb for ETH
2018-06-18 15:08:18
ppp
anyone want sell？
2018-06-18 15:08:21
dquancey
see <#CB40FDCF9|trade> @ppp
2018-06-18 15:08:26
dquancey
Plenty selling
2018-06-18 15:46:09
kaigeta
Hey guys, so i changed the rocksdb to lobstack in the config file but im now getting this error
2018-06-18 15:46:10
kaigeta
[2018-06-18 11:41:54] INFO snowblossom.node.SnowBlossomNode <init> Starting SnowBlossomNode version 1.1.0 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: Missing required key: db_path at duckutil.Config.require(Config.java:28) at snowblossom.lib.db.lobstack.LobstackDB.<init>(LobstackDB.java:23) at snowblossom.node.SnowBlossomNode.loadDB(SnowBlossomNode.java:134) at snowblossom.node.SnowBlossomNode.<init>(SnowBlossomNode.java:63) at snowblossom.node.SnowBlossomNode.main(SnowBlossomNode.java:34)
2018-06-18 15:46:14
kaigeta
and im stonewalled
2018-06-18 15:46:39
kaigeta
my node.conf file
2018-06-18 15:46:41
kaigeta
# Snowblossom Node Configuration File # the network to use # (snowblossom/mainnet, teapot/testnet, spoon/regtest) network=snowblossom # logging configuration log_config_file=configs/logging.properties # database # (rocksdb, lobstack) db_type=lobstack _path=node_db/mainnet # build transaction index #tx_index=1 # defaults: mainnet=2338, testnet=2339 service_port=2338
2018-06-18 15:47:25
kaigeta
any ideas?
2018-06-18 15:50:24
Johannes
Yeah, you messed up the config in one line:
2018-06-18 15:50:38
Johannes
-> _path=node_db/mainnet
2018-06-18 15:50:52
Johannes
this should be
2018-06-18 15:50:53
Johannes
db_path=db/mainnetl.
2018-06-18 15:51:13
kaigeta
AH, roger
2018-06-18 15:51:17
Johannes
argl, no, it should be db_path=db/mainnet
2018-06-18 15:51:22
kaigeta
thanks much
2018-06-18 15:51:25
kaigeta
'lemme try
2018-06-18 15:51:28
Johannes
copy & paste error on my side
2018-06-18 15:51:39
Johannes
anyhow the beginning of your line was wrong, the end was fine
2018-06-18 15:52:10
kaigeta
roger roger, thank you
2018-06-18 15:58:40
kaigeta
last question, does it matter which snowfield i download? i see they have different sizes
2018-06-18 15:58:46
Johannes
yes
2018-06-18 15:58:53
Johannes
you need the current one, #6
2018-06-18 15:59:03
kaigeta
cpybara?
2018-06-18 15:59:07
kaigeta
capybara*
2018-06-18 15:59:12
kaigeta
roger, thank you
2018-06-18 16:01:43
kaigeta
haha
2018-06-18 16:01:52
kaigeta
So i just slap this torrent in the snow folder?
2018-06-18 16:02:09
Fireduck
yeah
2018-06-18 16:02:19
Johannes
yeah, no, you have to download the torrent files to the snow folder
2018-06-18 16:02:32
Fireduck
ah, I misunderstood the question
2018-06-18 16:02:54
kaigeta
i meant the torrent files, haha
2018-06-18 16:06:29
cXplexus
Damn. My new internet jumped my hash by 8k
2018-06-18 16:11:05
Johannes
I wonder why the pool-miner is not using more RAM, something like "java -Xmx10G -jar PoolMiner_deploy.jar configs/pool-miner.conf" should make it use up to 10GB - or does it not use that much with field #6?
2018-06-18 16:14:30
Lev
@Johannes field 6 is 64gb and uses a bit more than that in RAM
2018-06-18 16:15:17
Johannes
But then, how do you have your miner.sh configured?
2018-06-18 16:18:21
Fireduck
ok, my nvme performance was sucking because I wasn't running enough threads
2018-06-18 16:24:41
Johannes
how are your JVM args, @Fireduck - did you set -Xmx at all? Here, it seems my CPU is mostly idle and the miner doesn't really use the RAM available
2018-06-18 16:25:41
Fireduck
On linux, the OS caches as much as it can very well so on that system no -Xmx at all
2018-06-18 16:25:57
Johannes
Oh, ok.
2018-06-18 16:26:32
Rotonen
@Fireduck hyperthreads x4 works for me, curious as to what works for you
2018-06-18 16:27:24
Rotonen
and if hybrid caching, obviously will have to bump the heap size as well
2018-06-18 16:28:37
Rotonen
@cXplexus i’ll believe changes in 24h averages, 8k sounds like normal variance
2018-06-18 16:34:26
Johannes
256 threads? Bloody hell!
2018-06-18 16:34:40
Johannes
But thanks for the write-up, it clarifies some things.
2018-06-18 16:34:56
Fireduck
actually, found no difference between 128 and 256
2018-06-18 16:35:00
Fireduck
did too big of a jump
2018-06-18 16:35:14
Fireduck
but as all the threads are just sitting waiting for IO they don't do any harm
2018-06-18 16:35:49
cXplexus
@Rotonen What do you mean?
2018-06-18 16:37:20
complexring
What mining algo is used?
2018-06-18 16:37:57
Fireduck
@complexring it is described here under proof of work: https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/wiki/Mining-Tuning
2018-06-18 16:39:08
complexring
thanks
2018-06-18 16:39:41
complexring
so bandwidth limited
2018-06-18 16:40:05
bl0ckchain
@Fireduck made some test and the better you can get with the actual memory bandwith is running 62 core on a 64 core , after that if you use a 96 core it make no difference only the freq of the proc is actually giving you more hash/s
2018-06-18 16:40:44
complexring
thanks!
2018-06-18 16:40:49
complexring
how much ram?
2018-06-18 16:40:58
Fireduck
@bl0ckchain my machine is 8 cores and shows improvement in hash up to 128 threads
2018-06-18 16:41:04
Fireduck
but not memory mining
2018-06-18 16:41:30
bl0ckchain
oh ok i was speaking of memory mining with 192go
2018-06-18 16:41:47
Fireduck
yeah, different bag of weasels
2018-06-18 16:42:30
bl0ckchain
the best i was getting was 5mh/s with a 96core but only 62 core was mining and if you increase this number it dont change much
2018-06-18 16:43:06
bl0ckchain
bottleneck of the memory i suppose
2018-06-18 16:43:19
Fireduck
where you were getting these monster machines?
2018-06-18 16:43:48
bl0ckchain
aws M5
2018-06-18 16:43:53
Fireduck
ha, ok
2018-06-18 16:44:27
Fireduck
I am running some in gce with 32core and 120gb ram.
2018-06-18 16:44:58
Fireduck
n1-standard-32 (32 vCPUs, 120 GB memory)
2018-06-18 16:45:06
Fireduck
getting about 1.8MH on those
2018-06-18 16:45:21
Fireduck
and running them as preemptible so only paying about $0.35/hr
2018-06-18 16:47:02
complexring
what's total number of coins you are getting on average with that setup?
2018-06-18 16:47:23
Fireduck
not really tracking that well
2018-06-18 16:47:49
Fireduck
but got 1000 with it for a cloud bill of about $250
2018-06-18 16:47:53
complexring
what is issuance rate? didn't see that in any of the docs
2018-06-18 16:48:20
Fireduck
@complexring 50 per block, 10 minute blocks. halving every 4 years.
2018-06-18 16:49:20
complexring
And total supply ?
2018-06-18 16:50:01
bl0ckchain
@Fireduck at start thats what i got before the diff increased
2018-06-18 16:52:43
Fireduck
21M total supply
2018-06-18 16:53:41
complexring
where are the conf files located or example ones?
2018-06-18 16:54:25
complexring
docs say i can run with bazel or from java -jar commands, but need to pass in a .conf file -- and not seeing where the .conf files are located
2018-06-18 16:58:14
fydel
hi :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-18 16:59:56
complexring
nevermind -0 i found it in link
2018-06-18 17:00:01
complexring
oh thanks @Tyler Boone
2018-06-18 17:00:05
complexring
exactly what i just found
2018-06-18 17:00:05
complexring
:smile:
2018-06-18 17:03:06
complexring
ok -- so to understand properly, node is the main daemon i run, and then client is the cli that does rpc to the node daemon to interact and do commands, etc. ?
2018-06-18 17:04:45
Tyler Boone
pretty much
2018-06-18 17:05:14
complexring
thanks :smile:
2018-06-18 17:05:15
Tyler Boone
client handles the wallet itself though (unlike bitcoin for example)
2018-06-18 17:06:04
Tyler Boone
(not sure how much you care about that level of detail)
2018-06-18 17:24:48
Fireduck
working on throwing things into the faq
2018-06-18 17:53:49
cXplexus
@bl0ckchain Which AWS are you renting? Can you send me a link?
2018-06-18 17:53:58
cXplexus
or @Fireduck
2018-06-18 17:58:45
Fireduck
I am using GCE n1-standard-32 (32 vCPUs, 120 GB memory)
2018-06-18 17:59:13
cXplexus
on demand?
2018-06-18 18:00:37
Fireduck
no, I am using preemptible
2018-06-18 18:00:52
Fireduck
which is kinda google's equivalent of spot instances
2018-06-18 18:01:01
Fireduck
so they cost not much but could be shut off at any time
2018-06-18 18:01:30
Nuse
The CPU's make a big difference? (32 vs 16, 64 vs 32)
2018-06-18 18:02:05
Fireduck
depends. As long as you have enough cpu to max out the bus
2018-06-18 18:02:13
Nuse
I noticed they made a difference but didn't really explore how much they'd optimize per going up
2018-06-18 18:02:31
Fireduck
I was mostly trying to find the cheapest option with enough ram
2018-06-18 18:02:47
Nuse
Same. That was my primary goal
2018-06-18 18:09:17
Joko
Nuse trying to accumulate before shilling i see :thinking_face:
2018-06-18 18:11:33
Fireduck
I want people to blast at this thing with cloud compute until memory mining isn't much of an option
2018-06-18 18:11:53
cXplexus
Lol
2018-06-18 18:12:18
cXplexus
How long does it take to ge a block on that GCE @Fireduck
2018-06-18 18:13:26
cXplexus
I’d help out but I’ve never done that before
2018-06-18 18:13:49
cXplexus
And that means we would have to get to what field 9?
2018-06-18 18:14:30
Fireduck
I get about 1.8MH/s on each of those
2018-06-18 18:16:19
stoner19
hey friends
2018-06-18 18:16:40
stoner19
is there any solid info out there about hardware minimums?
2018-06-18 18:16:51
stoner19
or the balance between CPU and RAM?
2018-06-18 18:16:56
Joko
well.. you need a cpu, ram and a disk
2018-06-18 18:17:03
stoner19
yeah, that would help.
2018-06-18 18:17:05
Tyler Boone
disk must be > size of snowfield
2018-06-18 18:17:11
stoner19
yep.
2018-06-18 18:17:45
stoner19
gonna have to get @Nuse twitter temp banned before he tells the world about snowblossom :stuck_out_tongue:
2018-06-18 18:20:32
Fireduck
Ram > NVME > SSD > HD
2018-06-18 18:20:37
Fireduck
HD is basically useless
2018-06-18 18:20:41
cXplexus
@Fireduck I mean what is your time to block
2018-06-18 18:20:52
cXplexus
on and n1 standard
2018-06-18 18:20:53
Fireduck
I use a pool, so don't know
2018-06-18 18:21:05
Fireduck
I could do the math
2018-06-18 18:21:11
cXplexus
where is snowday located
2018-06-18 18:21:16
cXplexus
washington
2018-06-18 18:21:44
Fireduck
as long as your latency is less than a few seconds it doesn't matter
2018-06-18 18:22:18
cXplexus
I've never ran a miner on linux
2018-06-18 18:22:22
cXplexus
just build from source?
2018-06-18 18:23:01
Fireduck
@cXplexus roughly 42 hours for a block
2018-06-18 18:23:34
Fireduck
closer to 24 hours
2018-06-18 18:23:47
cXplexus
for solo
2018-06-18 18:23:51
Fireduck
right
2018-06-18 18:24:00
cXplexus
damn. for that price
2018-06-18 18:24:07
cXplexus
about to set up a GCE lol
2018-06-18 18:24:44
Fireduck
have fun
2018-06-18 18:25:35
cXplexus
it's linux tho
2018-06-18 18:25:51
cXplexus
@Fireduck Me no not how to build miner on linux
2018-06-18 18:27:26
Fireduck
great time to learn linux
2018-06-18 18:31:15
Fireduck
also, you could probably do it on a windows VM
2018-06-18 18:31:39
cXplexus
probably more
2018-06-18 18:31:50
cXplexus
I can follow the wiki and do it on debian
2018-06-18 18:31:57
cXplexus
I've used Linux a lot in the past.
2018-06-18 18:32:02
cXplexus
Sister works at Red Hat.
2018-06-18 18:35:39
cXplexus
Lol
2018-06-18 18:48:04
cXplexus
@Fireduck what container did you put on it?
2018-06-18 18:48:18
Fireduck
hat box?
2018-06-18 18:48:24
Fireduck
I don't do containers
2018-06-18 18:48:39
Fireduck
So I just made a GCE instance, debian, 128gb ssd drive
2018-06-18 18:48:52
Fireduck
I got that setup the way I wanted to mine on boot
2018-06-18 18:49:01
Fireduck
then I turned that off, turned it into an instance template
2018-06-18 18:49:11
Fireduck
and then setup template groups to run a number of those instances
2018-06-18 18:51:24
cXplexus
which debian?
2018-06-18 18:52:51
Fireduck
any, doesn't really matter
2018-06-18 18:53:00
Fireduck
ubuntu is fine or anything else you like really
2018-06-18 18:53:15
Fireduck
all you need is to install java and copy in the pool miner deploy from the release zip
2018-06-18 18:53:27
Fireduck
don't even need bazel and building
2018-06-18 19:11:30
cXplexus
that's $1 an hour
2018-06-18 19:11:32
cXplexus
yeesh
2018-06-18 19:30:26
complexring
when i put in my address to mine to in the config file, do i need to include the prefix `snow:` ?
2018-06-18 19:39:49
Lev
@complexring no
2018-06-18 19:40:00
THX 1138 4EB
i domt think you're supposed to change the address bit of the config file
2018-06-18 19:40:24
complexring
it's either mine to address or mine to wallet, right?
2018-06-18 19:40:28
THX 1138 4EB
IMO there should be a comment or something to explain this because it's unlike every other currency miner ive encountered
2018-06-18 19:40:49
THX 1138 4EB
i didnt knowthere was a choice
2018-06-18 19:41:16
complexring
that's what docs say -- that it's a choice, you mine to the wallet and the addresses located locally or you mine to an address you specify
2018-06-18 19:41:30
THX 1138 4EB
oh right ok
2018-06-18 19:42:16
Johannes
How many coins would you mint with 1MH/s?
2018-06-18 19:42:33
THX 1138 4EB
none! go away! stop taking my coins!
2018-06-18 19:42:53
THX 1138 4EB
mine!!
2018-06-18 19:44:25
THX 1138 4EB
im mining about two coins a week!
2018-06-18 19:44:36
THX 1138 4EB
i'll be destitute at this rate
2018-06-18 19:46:45
complexring
ok -- i have a node synced up from the latest .10 zip binaries and am trying to mine but get the following: "INFO snowblossom.miner.SnowBlossomMiner$BlockTemplateEater onNext Work block load error: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to select a field of at least 6. Availible: []"
2018-06-18 19:47:45
complexring
i need local current snowfield in ./snow ?
2018-06-18 19:49:12
Fireduck
yeah, we did the mine to wallet so that in the simple case of having the local wallet on the same machine you could mine without changing the config at all
2018-06-18 19:49:35
Fireduck
but since you are likely pool mining and need to put in the pool to use it might not be needed anymore
2018-06-18 19:49:37
Fireduck
but yeah
2018-06-18 19:54:11
Fireduck
Just in case anyone is interested, had a good meeting with Zac last night and we are noodling on making a micropayment and authentication framework for snowblossom.
2018-06-18 19:54:28
Fireduck
Micropayments is nothing particularly novel, but the authentication is a huge deal.
2018-06-18 19:55:08
Fireduck
The idea is that you can use signing keys to automatically login to web sites without username/password nonsense
2018-06-18 19:55:21
Fireduck
so the site could remember that you paid for premium content or whatever
2018-06-18 19:55:36
Fireduck
but can also be used without payment, a sort of decentralized oauth
2018-06-18 19:55:56
Tyler Boone
did you mean "without username/password"?
2018-06-18 19:56:27
Fireduck
Example, you pay a site a few cents for no ads or premium content.
2018-06-18 19:56:41
Fireduck
You come back to the site on another computer and want it to know that you have paid.
2018-06-18 19:56:57
Fireduck
yeah, I meant without
2018-06-18 19:56:59
Fireduck
words are hard
2018-06-18 19:57:17
Tyler Boone
you can edit the message
2018-06-18 19:57:25
Johannes
Oh yeah, please do this, @Fireduck! - I was toying with the idea of using Web3.js/Metamask for OAuth or something similar already
2018-06-18 19:58:19
Johannes
if snowblossom had a solid JS lib and browser extension for that, it could be really interesting - not just for premium content but also log-in to CMSses and forum sites
2018-06-18 19:58:47
Nuse
@Joko @stoner19 hey now. I could have come here under a pseudonym, be nice :stuck_out_tongue:
2018-06-18 19:58:54
Fireduck
right, I hate usernames, passwords, security questions
2018-06-18 19:59:10
Tyler Boone
@Fireduck, is the plan to have a browser extension which knows your private key?
2018-06-18 19:59:24
Fireduck
Knows *a* private key
2018-06-18 19:59:32
stoner19
@Nuse its all in good fun, man. I came here under a pseudonym
2018-06-18 19:59:36
Fireduck
separate xprv used to derive keys for sites
2018-06-18 19:59:40
stoner19
although everyone knows this one, and not my twitter one so much
2018-06-18 19:59:42
Fireduck
wouldn't be the key used for your funds
2018-06-18 20:00:22
Nuse
This is the one i know more actually
2018-06-18 20:00:30
stoner19
I've considered "rebranding" myself so I use the same name across all of crypto, but meh
2018-06-18 20:00:38
stoner19
I don't use twitter as much as I want to.
2018-06-18 20:00:53
Nuse
As long as people keep tweeting nonsense i'll keep tweeting less
2018-06-18 20:01:11
Nuse
Rather make the tweets count and not be apart of the cesspool that its become.
2018-06-18 20:01:24
stoner19
yeah, the last several weeks, or months even, have been pretty terrible.
2018-06-18 20:01:32
Johannes
Oh, Nuse is here, quick buy all the snowblossoms...
2018-06-18 20:02:12
Nuse
I'm gonna be everywhere so beware that logic @Johannes. In 2014 i was in just about every IRC room.
2018-06-18 20:02:16
Nuse
Time to come full circle.
2018-06-18 20:02:29
stoner19
hate it when something like snowblossom comes up and I have RL work to do. some day crypto will be RL work.
2018-06-18 20:02:35
stoner19
I'm still in every IRC room :stuck_out_tongue:
2018-06-18 20:02:41
stoner19
IRC 4 life
2018-06-18 20:02:45
Johannes
Damn, sometimes I hate my 9-5 job
2018-06-18 20:03:11
Fireduck
I quit mine for a while
2018-06-18 20:03:13
Fireduck
but got a new one
2018-06-18 20:03:18
Nuse
I love my job. Except when AWS disables my account.
2018-06-18 20:03:20
Nuse
Then its not as fun.
2018-06-18 20:03:28
Nuse
But that's squared away now (sorta)
2018-06-18 20:03:35
Johannes
lol, I read that tweet
2018-06-18 20:03:48
stoner19
yeah, not fun. I haven't used AWS in so long. Its very overwhelming the EC2 options
2018-06-18 20:03:50
Johannes
max out a trial instance...
2018-06-18 20:03:59
Nuse
I never even did the trial
2018-06-18 20:04:07
Nuse
Maybe i selected it by mistake
2018-06-18 20:04:09
Fireduck
EC2 with VPC is insane now
2018-06-18 20:04:26
Fireduck
I know a few things and spent about an hour trying to make an ec2 instance with both an ipv4 and ipv6 public address
2018-06-18 20:04:28
Fireduck
no luck
2018-06-18 20:04:37
Nuse
o_O why?
2018-06-18 20:04:55
complexring
the latest setup on aws looks like a pain, why'd they change everything ? a: to make life harder for the rest of us
2018-06-18 20:05:04
stoner19
they disabled my account because I had a bill from an instance that I was sure was terminated, but because it wasn't actually deleted I still got billed for the hardware being reserved for use.
2018-06-18 20:05:07
stoner19
haven't used them since.
2018-06-18 20:05:15
Nuse
Vultr did that to me.
2018-06-18 20:05:22
Nuse
I didn't win that fight. I still had to pay.
2018-06-18 20:05:34
Nuse
Now i destroy machines like a raging admin i once was
2018-06-18 20:05:40
Nuse
Destroy destroy destroy
2018-06-18 20:05:41
stoner19
yeah, I tried to fight Amazon. That was a waste of time.
2018-06-18 20:05:48
complexring
they need a destroy all button
2018-06-18 20:05:54
Nuse
^ would be nice
2018-06-18 20:06:51
complexring
they're probably afraid someone misclicks it or something
2018-06-18 20:06:57
complexring
and destroys everything so they won't implement
2018-06-18 20:07:09
complexring
or ... this gives them a better way of making more because people forget
2018-06-18 20:07:19
stoner19
imagine the increase in support hours needed if they had a `destroy all` button
2018-06-18 20:07:40
stoner19
all the crypto noobs raising hell because their free tier instance got deleted because they didn't understand what `destroy all` meant
2018-06-18 20:07:55
complexring
thought you oculdn't mine on free tier anyway
2018-06-18 20:08:27
stoner19
who knows. I did. But that was probably before they added a policy prohibiting mining on them.
2018-06-18 20:08:38
stoner19
however many years ago
2018-06-18 20:08:48
Fireduck
I remember when AWS kicked Satoshidice off
2018-06-18 20:09:11
complexring
i mean -- i remember mining on free tier but there was definitely a clause in there saying no cryptocurrency mining
2018-06-18 20:09:20
complexring
i also subjected myself to torture by reading all the ToS
2018-06-18 20:09:35
stoner19
you enjoyed it. Don't even lie to us.
2018-06-18 20:09:45
complexring
Secretly, I'm a masochist.
2018-06-18 20:09:48
stoner19
you're sick and twisted.
2018-06-18 20:09:54
stoner19
that's why we're friends.
2018-06-18 20:09:57
complexring
Sadly, this is true.
2018-06-18 20:10:05
complexring
To one of those. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
2018-06-18 20:10:15
complexring
actually both ... not going to lie.
2018-06-18 20:10:47
stoner19
ok. back to RL work. Then maybe I'll fiddle with AWS or find another provider for mining later today.
2018-06-18 20:13:57
Johannes
My bittorrent for the snowblossom.7 field is stalled since about yesterday. Anyone got a backup tracker I could add?
2018-06-18 20:14:27
Fireduck
you are getting a good link to the 1209k tracker?
2018-06-18 20:15:33
Johannes
Couldn't be better I'd say
2018-06-18 20:15:39
Fireduck
ok
2018-06-18 20:15:48
Johannes
also no errors reported
2018-06-18 20:16:56
Fireduck
wacky
2018-06-18 21:21:14
Rotonen
@Fireduck yeah, as a rule of a thumb, with nvme, 8 x cpu hyperthreads is sensible, for details look at blk-mq implementations
2018-06-18 21:23:00
Rotonen
the whole modern io stack tackles things which make snowblossom tick: https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/scsi.pdf
2018-06-18 21:24:08
Rotonen
and thus for ssd mining rigs the thing to go for are nvme backplanes over fibre channel / multipath - GPUs are cheap
2018-06-18 21:36:54
snowmonster
what's with these two blocks with 3642 and 700 transactions?
2018-06-18 21:41:41
Lev
@snowmonster looks like a miner consolidating mining outputs
2018-06-18 21:50:10
Fireduck
I like big blocks
2018-06-18 21:50:37
Johannes
SnowblossomCash, aka SnowCash
2018-06-18 21:52:26
cXplexus
0daf0aj
2018-06-18 21:52:29
cXplexus
That account
2018-06-18 21:52:36
cXplexus
is... so SB rich
2018-06-18 21:52:59
cXplexus
Wonder what they are mining with
2018-06-18 21:53:02
cXplexus
is that you @duck
2018-06-18 21:53:04
cXplexus
@Fireduck
2018-06-18 21:55:23
Fireduck
It was me making all those transaction
2018-06-18 21:55:58
Fireduck
These days I don't have much mining Power
2018-06-18 21:56:02
cXplexus
Someone does
2018-06-18 21:56:04
cXplexus
hot damn
2018-06-18 21:56:18
Rotonen
university grids and run of the mill enterprise hardware is currently king
2018-06-18 21:56:49
Rotonen
as far as i can see ram mining will die once the 8TB field starts
2018-06-18 21:57:19
Rotonen
up to 4TB RAM is still off the shelf hardware
2018-06-18 21:57:50
Rotonen
so long as one does not get too stuck on x86 as an idea
2018-06-18 21:58:11
Rotonen
but as it is all java, all good
2018-06-18 21:58:59
Tyler Boone
what is the capex of putting 4tb of RAM in a machine though?
2018-06-18 21:59:42
Rotonen
about that of a new family car + 3 phase electricity installation + AC
2018-06-18 22:00:41
cXplexus
LOL
2018-06-18 22:00:45
Rotonen
as in surprisingly reasonable, people are burning equivalent cash on amazon already, but i suppose early blocks are tastier
2018-06-18 22:00:56
cXplexus
Haha
2018-06-18 22:01:02
Tyler Boone
the goal is that specialty hardware doesn't render (fairly) standard PCs completely useless
2018-06-18 22:02:01
Tyler Boone
so if a $2k PC gets 1% of what a $30k server gets, then it's still reasonable
2018-06-18 22:02:07
Rotonen
something like a 512TB all-SSD LUN is already a thing you could buy, but there the prices explode
2018-06-18 22:02:30
Rotonen
yeah, ram to nvme is about 100x
2018-06-18 22:03:26
Johannes
It's also questionable if someone would or should invest $30K to mine a pretty new and unproven coin - no offense against the project
2018-06-18 22:04:17
Rotonen
and to be fair, there are only few tens of thousands of high end servers out there and they’re mostly dedicated to serious uses
2018-06-18 22:04:43
Johannes
Yeah, my company would decapitate me if I used their supercomputer for mining.
2018-06-18 22:05:10
Tyler Boone
@Johannes, it's not about now, it's about the future
2018-06-18 22:05:42
Rotonen
@Johannes of course it’s risky, but back of the envelope math puts current spending levels of the current big miners to thereabouts
2018-06-18 22:06:01
Tyler Boone
the real goal of ASIC resistance is to keep mining decentralized
2018-06-18 22:06:18
Rotonen
i’d say seasoned miners can afford the risks
2018-06-18 22:07:13
Tyler Boone
so if my $2k gaming machine is 1% of a $30k enterprise machine, then it's worthwhile for me to mine snowblossom while my computer is idle
2018-06-18 22:07:28
cXplexus
^
2018-06-18 22:07:29
Rotonen
also i’m sorta basing the mining cost estimates on the going rate of announced trading
2018-06-18 22:07:54
cXplexus
I think that's undervauled.
2018-06-18 22:08:05
cXplexus
For emission rate. Halving schedule alone
2018-06-18 22:08:18
Tyler Boone
that represents a %15 efficiency/capex
2018-06-18 22:08:50
Rotonen
@Tyler Boone yeah, IO was a very good PoW problem scope - guess why i’m both here and noisy all the time... :-)
2018-06-18 22:08:50
Tyler Boone
bitcoin has <0.1% efficiency/capex
2018-06-18 22:11:38
Johannes
I get that, @Tyler Boone - but the big question in the future will be if the market honors this. I can easily see a future where truly decentralized coins are marginalized and semi-centralized ones like BTC or BCH rule
2018-06-18 22:11:39
Rotonen
btw. there was no immediate 1.1.1 incoming, or? held off updating snowplough
2018-06-18 22:12:31
Tyler Boone
@Johannes, totes
2018-06-18 22:12:33
Rotonen
@Johannes it’s exactly a game of competing narratives
2018-06-18 22:13:12
Rotonen
that stuff is hard, sharky and quite a bit up to luck
2018-06-18 22:13:54
Johannes
That's why I wouldn't sink 30K into snowblossom - unless it also has a business case that is extremely compelling. I'd rather see a decentralized coin win, but I wouldn't want to burn too much money in case I am wrong
2018-06-18 22:14:36
Rotonen
the other viable mining picture i paint is passively cooled mining rigs
2018-06-18 22:14:47
Tyler Boone
yeah. like buying a new nvme drive. even if snowblossom dies, the drive is sweet :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-18 22:15:00
Johannes
this :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-18 22:16:14
Rotonen
on a 35W i7-7700T, 64GB, 960 pro 2TB, passive PSU i’m saturating the SSD at 105kH/s and only using about one and a quarter core of the low power CPU
2018-06-18 22:17:07
Johannes
how many coins are the rough equivalent of 100kH/s?
2018-06-18 22:17:11
Rotonen
so with 2x ssd and a low power cpu one can have a 200k mining rig for about 2k usd with no moving parts
2018-06-18 22:18:11
Tyler Boone
@Johannes, 1 block/10 minutes = 6 blocks /hour = 300 snowblossom / hour.
2018-06-18 22:18:16
Rotonen
or well, i suppose the power switch on the case might be, mine is capacitive
2018-06-18 22:18:51
Tyler Boone
total hashrate = 200Mhs, so 100kHs = 100/200,000 = 0.05% of total hashrate
2018-06-18 22:19:07
Tyler Boone
300 * 0.0005 = 0.15 snowblossom/hour
2018-06-18 22:19:09
Johannes
OK, that's a pretty impressive ROI if we go with the current price of $3/snowblossom
2018-06-18 22:19:17
Tyler Boone
so 100kh/s = 0.15 snowblossom/hour
2018-06-18 22:19:38
Rotonen
@Johannes the thing is, every time the snow field changes, it knocks exactly half of the remaining megahash miners back into the 100k club
2018-06-18 22:19:55
Tyler Boone
... ethat seems a little high. can somewhere check my math?
2018-06-18 22:21:18
Rotonen
and someone should verify mine too, but pretty confident 100kH/s / USD 1000 is about right for nvme rigs
2018-06-18 22:21:41
Johannes
OTOH, shouldn't the time till the next snowfield switch be longer and longer the larger the fields get? Maybe not 2x, but still...
2018-06-18 22:22:58
Rotonen
@Johannes correct, but a > 256GB RAM requirement will essentially exclude cloud vendors and discount servers
2018-06-18 22:23:26
Johannes
True that. Gonna rent one of that sweet Hetzner enterprise servers :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-18 22:23:43
Tyler Boone
256gb is also gonna put a squeez on a lot of nvme miners
2018-06-18 22:24:37
Rotonen
mind you those are 30day minimum contracts, but that’s not too bad, as there is no start commission on the used ones
2018-06-18 22:30:03
Rotonen
@Tyler Boone also gonna get nasty for people to figure out they probably want old high end stuff from clearance sales (like 950 pro or 960 pro) than new shiny stuff (like 970 evo, 600p, mx300)
2018-06-18 22:30:59
Jimtalksdata
Or P3600s from eBay (hint hint)
2018-06-18 22:31:47
Rotonen
also hard to convey outside snowblossom hash rate results as normal benchmarking does not usually stress the exact small seek latency and multiqueue issues
2018-06-18 22:33:18
Rotonen
@Jimtalksdata thank you, especially the temp range looks very promising for robust and stable
2018-06-18 22:35:32
Fireduck
Ordered a new nvne today
2018-06-18 22:35:49
Fireduck
960 pro I think. 512gb
2018-06-18 22:35:58
Fireduck
Hopefully 3gb/s
2018-06-18 22:41:32
Rotonen
@Jimtalksdata got yet / what sorta rates are pullable? 150k? still pci-e 4x and ram feed limited
2018-06-18 22:42:08
Jimtalksdata
Don’t know, it’s only on Windows so hash is pretty pitiful (25-30k)
2018-06-18 22:43:00
Tyler Boone
I was getting 45k on windows with straight nvme mining
2018-06-18 22:44:14
Tyler Boone
what are people getting on linux with straight nvme?
2018-06-18 22:44:18
Tyler Boone
no hybrid
2018-06-18 22:44:42
Fireduck
86k
2018-06-18 22:44:54
Fireduck
On Intel 750 nvme
2018-06-18 22:49:11
Rotonen
105k 960 pro
2018-06-18 22:49:51
Fireduck
Anyone had any luck mining on two devices on one system without bad performance impact?
2018-06-18 22:49:59
Rotonen
up to 50k should be easy out of the box
2018-06-18 22:51:15
Rotonen
@Fireduck as i’m only using 125% cpu, i’d assume a second device would just work given the motherboard block diagram is not silly with the pci-e lanes
2018-06-18 22:53:43
Clueless
would likely buy 4x EVO and mirror them
2018-06-18 22:55:11
Lev
why mirror and not stripe?
2018-06-18 22:56:25
Tyler Boone
or solve in code and just have 4 independent drives with partial snowfields :stuck_out_tongue:
2018-06-18 22:56:58
Lev
well yeah, that would be best
2018-06-18 23:02:40
Rotonen
snowblossom is a read problem, mirrors are simpler
2018-06-18 23:05:47
Clueless
@Lev Striping gives you more disk space, we don't need that. :)
2018-06-18 23:05:52
Clueless
well, not yet anyawy
2018-06-18 23:07:42
Rotonen
@Clueless JBOD is simpler and does not limit the size to or by the smallest device
2018-06-18 23:08:19
Clueless
good point
2018-06-18 23:10:02
Fireduck
@Tyler Boone your nvme is faster. I might have shopped poorly.
2018-06-18 23:11:07
Tyler Boone
I think I just bought cheapest 512 pcie
2018-06-18 23:11:20
Tyler Boone
from a company I recognized
2018-06-18 23:12:35
Rotonen
is that your stable 1h hash rate? i’m uncertain of what people report
2018-06-18 23:13:27
Fireduck
Me too
2018-06-18 23:13:33
Rotonen
1h rate after 12h would make sense to me as a metric, but could require too much patience
2018-06-18 23:27:44
Shoots
any benefits to using the latest miner?
2018-06-18 23:27:48
Shoots
I havent updated in a while
2018-06-18 23:28:07
Tyler Boone
hybrid mining
2018-06-18 23:28:20
Clueless
better log output
2018-06-18 23:28:21
Tyler Boone
if you can't fit the entire snowfield in memory
2018-06-18 23:29:10
Shoots
whats hybrid mining?
2018-06-18 23:29:16
Shoots
ahh
2018-06-18 23:29:23
Shoots
well I can so I wont worry about it