ok, my disaster wifi to wifi router is setup
seems to work well
fortunately the network admins are not blocking udp openvpn
and my home nat router is happy to nat it all with a few routes added
if I wanted to get fancy I'd route ipv6 but that is just tempting fate really
the hostapd init script is broken in some really strange way
just exits when an import is run, the same input as all the scripts run
but life is too short to identify ever fluid you run across so I just smashed it until it worked