2018-11-06 01:42:56
maybe we can list in tradeogre
alistar
2018-11-06 02:05:46
do they still list for free?
THX 1138 4EB
2018-11-06 02:26:43
yes free
alistar
2018-11-06 05:36:20
I realize snow have 6 Satoshi instead of 8?
Daeng
2018-11-06 05:50:14
Yes. I like metric style
Fireduck
2018-11-06 14:15:35
maybe the US use British Standard more popular
alistar
2018-11-06 14:16:08
Does England use British Standard ?
alistar
2018-11-06 14:46:25
i how i can see my wallet address?
umarucchi
2018-11-06 15:09:06
client.bat balance
fydel
2018-11-06 17:05:09
if i try to run whit terminal give back not permitted
umarucchi
2018-11-06 17:16:58
i need to put snowblossom.7 in snowblossom directory?
umarucchi
2018-11-06 17:26:39
error: unable to select a field of at least 7
umarucchi
2018-11-06 17:53:07
ok, the config should point to the base directory that contains snowblossom.7 directory
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:53:47
for example, lets say you have d:\snow\snowblossom.7
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:53:57
then your config should have: snow_path=d:\\snow
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:54:02
@Fireduck you really should make it just recurse the thing people point it at, many trip up on that
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:54:37
@Fireduck and communicating that nuance is surprisingly hard, especially across cultures
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:54:54
@Rotonen which is why the 1.2.3 quickstart instructions explicitly give an example
Clueless
2018-11-06 17:55:09
if it’d default to . and recurse, that’d help people out
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:55:13
`Ex. snow/snowblossom.N/*`
Clueless
2018-11-06 17:55:23
@Rotonen agreed. I always have a hard time describing how to setup the field locations
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:55:34
yes, better, but still nuanced
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:56:18
@Fireduck can the miner tell if it found a testnet field or a normal field?
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:56:28
yes
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:56:45
the testnet fields are in teapot.N
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:56:48
then just recursing on . should be fine for most users
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:57:20
and thus most users would not need to configure that
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:57:45
I have trouble guessing where most users are going to put a few hundred gb
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:57:54
and ’put the field to where the miner is’ is simple enough
Rotonen
2018-11-06 17:57:55
but yeah, I can see the advantages of what you propose
Fireduck
2018-11-06 17:58:21
and advanced users manage per default
Rotonen
2018-11-06 18:01:55
https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/issues/136 Maybe recursive from current directory
Fireduck
2018-11-06 18:06:25
I need to find a real exhaust fan. Like at least 500 cfm.
Fireduck
2018-11-06 18:10:16
I think I'll be a fat cat and ask my hvac folks to do it
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:11:16
@Fireduck tell them what you are actually doing so they can help you in earnest instead of just commissioning a specificity
Rotonen
2018-11-06 19:12:57
@Fireduck
If you're exhausting hot air, you need two holes.
intake, exhaust.
Otherwise you'll wind up with negative pressure in house, and that pulls in tons of dust and allergens.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:14:02
in general, I like air flow
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:14:05
but that is a thought
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:15:04
@Rotonen absolutely. Back in the day no one had any idea what I was talking about when I mentioned a server room.
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:15:09
These days, people get it.
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:15:24
Basically, I am adding 3000w of space heaters in this room and I don't want it to be hot.
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:15:54
When I worked in the cinema industry, I had a client drive-in theater with projector booths out 300 yards.
The projector's smaller exhaust fans created enough negative pressure to coat the *entire room* and the insides of servers with dust and dirt.
I had to literally take the servers outside and dump the dirt out.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:16:33
oh god
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:17:02
creating negative pressure in the house will suck in stuff from every crevice.
the owner was trying to seal things up, which only killed his window air conditioner and filters quicker.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:18:42
in another case, a theater shared the popcorn exhaust vent with their projectors.
They wound up with popcorn oil draining into the projectors.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:18:51
that is normal
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:18:59
everything works better with popcorn oil
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:25:09
however, the dust was particularly bad because as a drivein, cars drove all around the booth and killed all the grass, so it was just a dirt field.
still, the same thing will happen with different materials.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:26:02
like beatles
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:39:58
Hello Fireduck
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:41:26
hello
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:41:36
I had a question in regards to how quickly pending balances show up. So i send from a wallet and instantly see the pending balance in the wallet and it is also market as
spendable right away. Is that normal?
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:42:08
yes
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:42:25
Now that seems like an amazing advantage vs other coins i've used
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:42:58
Theoretically merchant running a node could instantly accept payment with high degree of confidence
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:43:22
people can do that already with lots of coins
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:43:35
I think they should more than they do, but this is nothing new with snowblossom
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:43:55
Ah ok maybe its only the first time I noticed.
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:44:13
bitcoin does it.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:45:08
So what is stopping adoption as method of payment? Even if tx isn't mined, seeing the pending balance should be good enough?
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:46:05
it really depends on what you are doing. If you are accepting a payment for something that is worth not a huge amount, there is no reason to wait for a confirmation
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:46:16
a pending payment is almost certainly going to get confirmed
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:46:40
way more likely than a pending credit card charge, which could be disputed for a month or more
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:47:24
Interesting. And i've seen the term 0conf floated around in relation to snowblossom. I have read about 0conf but is it actually a feature?
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:48:40
it's a feature of the client, but it's not required by the protocol.
Clueless
2018-11-06 19:48:50
well, we support standard First Seen/First Accepted logic that makes it generally safe to accept a zero-conf payment
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:49:11
And can a coin use 0conf also use replace-by-fee
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:49:51
We don't have any replace by fee
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:50:09
we have CPFP (Child pays for parent) but no replace
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:52:11
Alright. Sorry for the noob questions. Can you explain in basic terms what snow channels are?
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:52:54
very little yet, that is a project I am working on
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:53:21
basically, a channel will be a way for a content creator or moderator to publish some things to people who are interested in it
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:53:33
so it could be pictures or videos or a blog
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:53:43
or a discussion where the channel creator is acting as the moderator
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:54:33
Interesting. Will the content distribution work with the blockchain?
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:54:41
people who are reading a channel will also seed it to make it available for other readers
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:55:00
Ohh i see
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:55:15
a little, each channel will have its own blockchain, but since there is a central owner of a channel (the creator) there doesn't need to be mining or PoW on a channel
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:55:18
Immutable media content
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:55:41
yeah, the creator can't destroy existing blocks. They could go away if no one cares to keep seeding them
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:56:23
Like p2p media consumption. I am reading a blog which means i am seeding it for other user to consume the same media
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:57:07
right
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:57:16
Will content creators be able to attach a SNOW fee to unlock said content?
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:57:26
yes, that is planned
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:57:41
and since the blocks are immutable, as long as you have the content key that you paid for you'll always have access
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:57:47
even if the creator goes out of business
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:58:06
Amazing. World needs this right now.
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:58:45
it is a work in progress and will be fairly low level. My plan is to make the network and data layer that people can build apps and sites on top of.
Fireduck
2018-11-06 19:59:20
So Snowblossom will handle smartconctracts?.
JKC789
2018-11-06 19:59:58
not in the general sense, like ethereum
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:00:09
but maybe in a limited sense, like being able to add notes to transactions
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:00:17
meh, no ponziblossom?
Rotonen
2018-11-06 20:00:30
Haha
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:00:38
like something that says "I'm using this transaction to pay for access to content, please encrypt the key to public key X"
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:00:55
and then the spending transaction could include that access key encrypted to X
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:01:26
the protocol wouldn't enforce that, but simple using snowblossom as a way to have a little richer transactions
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:01:36
kinda like how you have a memo field on a paper check
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:01:46
Awesome makes sense.
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:01:48
just a way to track a little extra data about the transaction taking place
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:07:32
I had a theoretical question. I have 0 knowledge in programming or computing. Just a thought i was having. Would it be possible to create something called "rescue nodes". So remember when BTC at its peak usage had mempool back logs and problems with low fee txs not getting mined for many hours. Would it be possible, when backlog hits a certain level, to get all running nodes to start confirming low fee txs, and these nodes only kick in when backlog is at an "emergency" level, clear the back log and go back to being a non mining node. Maybe add a light POS reward so that people who aren't interested in mining are incentivize to run a node with the small chance of occasionally getting small rewards.
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:10:52
that is an interesting idea
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:11:14
I would approach it more along the lines of if the mempool got full, then you drop the difficulty to mine blocks faster
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:11:57
if you lower the block reward as well, then no one has any incentive to game it
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:12:10
since the mining reward per hash would stay the same
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:12:45
Yeah makes a lot of sense
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:14:18
I wonder how that would play out
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:15:27
Could be a great experiment. Is that achievable on a testnet?
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:16:16
Part of the problem is that we have no provable view of mempool
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:16:35
one node could say, hey my mempool is full, I'm dropping difficulty
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:16:49
and other nodes wouldn't be able to say if that is true or not
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:16:59
especially after the fact validating the chain
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:17:06
Hmm maybe if a certain percentage of nodes signal full mempool?
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:17:57
@Fireduck that’s just the bitcoin post block reward end game?
Rotonen
2018-11-06 20:18:24
I have no idea
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:19:59
@Fireduck call them bonus blocks and drop the difficulty on a very full mempool and have people clearing the queue have just the fees, no block rewards - now that’d still invite bullshit, though
Rotonen
2018-11-06 20:21:17
yeah, it might end up a little mario cart
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:21:45
oh, you confirmed that transaction? I'll have my miners go back a block, declare a full mempool and bonus block around your block
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:24:12
full cyberpunk mafia
Rotonen
2018-11-06 20:24:39
would have to think very carefully about the BS people could pull
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:26:00
Be cool if low fee txs could be bundled up to raise their combined fees. Again I'm clueless so i could be saying idiot things
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:26:03
just bringing it up as an example of how hard it is to do something simple, useful and side effect free functional
Rotonen
2018-11-06 20:27:06
@JKC789 that’s sorta the same as begging, you’d be using someone else’s coin for the transaction
Rotonen
2018-11-06 20:27:26
Yeah true.
JKC789
2018-11-06 20:28:57
the fees are considered per byte
Fireduck
2018-11-06 20:29:11
so a bunch of low fee transactions is still low fee per byte
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:28:28
To pool operators, you can now also specify min difficulty as "min_diff" in your config
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:28:33
default is min_diff=22
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:29:07
I wouldn't suggest going lower than about min_diff=16 unless you really enjoy lots of scrolling lines before it gets a client adjusted
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:29:25
also, now that I think of it, it might completely break the hell out of the share database...
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:29:40
just meaning you are changing the definition of what a share is
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:31:14
yeah, changing it will make the existing share database off by whatever factor you change it
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:31:33
shouldn't be a huge deal but I wouldn't suggest changing the min_diff unless you have a good reason
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:45:52
Is there a mining guide i can read anywhere?
fent
2018-11-06 21:49:32
@Fireduck journald does not mind the spamming
Rotonen
2018-11-06 21:50:14
I had to add the option for integration tests anyways, so figured might as well let people knob it
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:50:43
@fent here is the super short version: https://wiki.snowblossom.org/index.php/Quickstart#Mining
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:50:51
@Fireduck i’d like to do a low diff pool, but you gotta figure out the db migration, mark the pool diff into the db as a starting point
Rotonen
2018-11-06 21:50:59
some theory: https://wiki.snowblossom.org/index.php/Mining/Tuning
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:51:30
@Rotonen if you have few active miners and they are cool with things being a little skewed, you can just change it and it will be fine.
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:51:46
diff 22 is reasonable for 10kH/s and more, though
Rotonen
2018-11-06 21:52:22
@Fireduck no i have a massive share pile i’d not like to cheat @mjay out of
Rotonen
2018-11-06 21:53:23
right, your miners would still have the same proportion of shares as before
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:53:42
and if they continue mining at the same proportion for the next 5 blocks of shares, then everything is proper
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:53:51
I know that is a big if
Fireduck
2018-11-06 21:56:48
the thing is i have miners who left to whom the pool still owes for the effort
Rotonen
2018-11-06 21:57:21
ah, makes sense
Fireduck
2018-11-06 23:20:30
Any of you guys seen the rumours of BCC attacking BTC Nov 15th? Fud or real?
JKC789
2018-11-06 23:20:55
Or irrelevant lol
JKC789
2018-11-06 23:21:14
Anyways SNOW should be immune to these POW wars
JKC789
2018-11-06 23:21:39
how's it not fud if it makes you ask around?
Rotonen
2018-11-06 23:22:32
I guess it is. Just so much bs being spewed
JKC789
2018-11-06 23:23:51
around most things in life
Rotonen
2018-11-06 23:50:49
@JKC789 I don't know what those have to do with us, but I think it says a lot that they would have to "attack" coin at idea.
Clueless
2018-11-06 23:54:46
Nah nothing to do. Just made me think of your different POW algo and how this makes SNOW an attractive idea if miners start attacking other networks. Just read this fud and made a mental connection to this project since I just read all about snow a couple of days ago
JKC789