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2018-07-03 01:02:13
Fireduck
Working on multisystem clustered mining
2018-07-03 01:02:40
Fireduck
Codename: Satan's Workshop
2018-07-03 02:42:13
Shoots
trying to build 1.0.6 on a new image Im creating and Im getting this
2018-07-03 02:42:13
Shoots
INFO: Analysed target //:PoolMiner (55 packages loaded). INFO: Found 1 target... ERROR: missing input file '@local_jdk//:jre/lib/rt.jar' ERROR: /home/ubuntu/snowblossom-1.0.6/miner/BUILD:3:1: //miner:miner: missing input file '@local_jdk//:jre/lib/rt.jar' Target //:PoolMiner failed to build Use --verbose_failures to see the command lines of failed build steps. ERROR: /home/ubuntu/snowblossom-1.0.6/miner/BUILD:3:1 1 input file(s) do not exist INFO: Elapsed time: 10.601s, Critical Path: 3.19s INFO: 11 processes: 11 linux-sandbox. FAILED: Build did NOT complete successfully
2018-07-03 02:49:02
Shoots
figured it out, missed a step install bazel
2018-07-03 04:26:29
Fireduck
ha
2018-07-03 05:21:55
Ninja
Which pool is this?
2018-07-03 05:38:35
Fireduck
it has one miner, apparently
2018-07-03 05:38:39
Fireduck
so I imagine some private operation
2018-07-03 05:38:57
Fireduck
I'm going to say, lobsters from deep in the atlantic
2018-07-03 05:39:21
Rotonen
heh, i’m on a rich list a few times over
2018-07-03 05:40:01
Rotonen
crustaceans are delicious
2018-07-03 05:41:05
Rotonen
in other news the nethash is already so distributed ridiculous hardware does not makea significant dent on it
2018-07-03 05:42:38
Fireduck
I am working on a plan where a bunch of smaller machines work together
2018-07-03 05:42:56
Fireduck
like 32gb nodes that expose an rpc interface to read parts of the snowfield
2018-07-03 05:43:30
Fireduck
the cool thing, is that the node does the normal 4k page reads, but can marshal a bunch of responses to send back over the network
2018-07-03 05:43:43
Rotonen
that’ll reopen cloud mining to the fiat capable
2018-07-03 05:43:46
Fireduck
so even though the network bandwidth is much smaller, it still uses a good chunk of the memory bandwidth
2018-07-03 05:44:13
Fireduck
it is a pretty simple idea, if I don't do it open source, someone will do it private
2018-07-03 05:45:01
Rotonen
but one still has to throw five figure monthly sums at this for sustaining 51% (and that seems to improve all the time)
2018-07-03 05:45:02
Fireduck
plus the cool thing is you can just add more nodes to handle a larger field
2018-07-03 05:46:08
Rotonen
the interims are fast enough to transfer?
2018-07-03 05:46:23
Fireduck
interims?
2018-07-03 05:46:38
Rotonen
pff reading code on a mobile in a forest, not yet
2018-07-03 05:46:44
Fireduck
hah
2018-07-03 05:46:49
Rotonen
interim reads per proof
2018-07-03 05:47:15
Fireduck
yeah, each pow needs 96 bytes read over network
2018-07-03 05:47:28
Fireduck
or 6 4k pages from local block device or memory
2018-07-03 05:47:48
Fireduck
so there is a lot of benefit from batching them up and sending over network
2018-07-03 05:47:49
Rotonen
times worst case 10M / s
2018-07-03 05:48:21
Rotonen
ah yes, batching will make it a glacial flow sorta thing
2018-07-03 05:48:23
Fireduck
I'm thinking LAN (or cloud virtual LAN) not internet in general
2018-07-03 05:48:34
Rotonen
nothing is timing sensitive
2018-07-03 05:48:40
Fireduck
for this work as long as it is less than a minute, latency doesn't matter
2018-07-03 05:48:48
Fireduck
but bandwidth does
2018-07-03 05:48:59
Fireduck
planning on saturating most of gigE in and out of each node
2018-07-03 05:49:13
Fireduck
we shall see if that actually plays out
2018-07-03 05:49:38
Rotonen
p2p within a ’cluster’ or orchestration via the pool?
2018-07-03 05:50:07
Fireduck
for now, manually configured tightly bound cluster
2018-07-03 05:50:20
Rotonen
mostly outgoing bandwidth requirements would ramp up pool hosting costs
2018-07-03 05:50:23
Fireduck
maybe multicast discovery later
2018-07-03 05:50:54
Rotonen
UDP multicast requires a well configured LAN
2018-07-03 05:51:25
Fireduck
TCP is fine. I'll see how GRPC does for me and change it to something else as needed.
2018-07-03 05:51:27
Rotonen
did a student campus IPTV stack on that way back when
2018-07-03 05:51:42
Fireduck
the multicast udp would only be for discovery and configuration, not actual pow data
2018-07-03 05:52:19
Rotonen
still, at segment borders one needs reflectors
2018-07-03 05:52:37
Fireduck
I did some multi-router IPTV setup back in 2001 or so
2018-07-03 05:52:39
Fireduck
no one used it
2018-07-03 05:52:59
Rotonen
we had 5k users
2018-07-03 05:53:03
Fireduck
nice
2018-07-03 05:53:25
Rotonen
one can see why unicast was not an option
2018-07-03 05:53:41
Fireduck
yeah
2018-07-03 05:53:52
Fireduck
that is what multicast is for
2018-07-03 05:55:59
Fireduck
Thanks for listening to my idea, I'm glad it doesn't sound too insane to you immediately
2018-07-03 05:56:24
Rotonen
sounds like what i’ve been touting already
2018-07-03 05:56:57
Rotonen
but some more walking to do if i’m to reach lunch in time
2018-07-03 07:09:26
Fireduck
holy shit, it works
2018-07-03 07:09:38
Fireduck
I have a little turd machine reading 30kh/s over the network
2018-07-03 07:10:31
Fireduck
causing 800MB/s of read load
2018-07-03 07:12:57
Fireduck
should be about 3 MB/s of network traffic but I don't have an easy way to graph that right now
2018-07-03 07:15:36
Fireduck
I should really go to bed now
2018-07-03 17:20:31
Fireduck
What do people use for traffic graphing these days?
2018-07-03 17:20:40
Fireduck
Assuming I have a switch that supports snmp
2018-07-03 17:22:22
Fireduck
hell, mrtg has move recent updates than I expected
2018-07-03 17:24:38
fydel
i use munin for everything. it is kind of mrtg for dummies.
2018-07-03 17:27:26
Clueless
@fydel zabbix
2018-07-03 17:46:58
fydel
munin has all i need.
2018-07-03 17:53:20
fydel
but zabbix looks interesting, too.
2018-07-03 18:14:33
Rotonen
if you hop off munin, look at ELK, TICK or splunk
2018-07-03 18:18:41
Fireduck
Oh god, more things
2018-07-03 18:19:42
Fireduck
I mostly get stuff done by avoiding messing with new things as much as is practical.
2018-07-03 18:28:02
Clueless
we need more users
2018-07-03 18:31:01
Fireduck
true
2018-07-03 20:38:47
THX 1138 4EB
mining snow effectively requires a level of expertise that most coins don't need
2018-07-03 20:39:10
THX 1138 4EB
do you think getting on crappy exchanges would increase awareness/miners?
2018-07-03 21:04:38
Clueless
@THX 1138 4EB. No it doesn't.
2018-07-03 21:05:09
Clueless
Getting the highest efficiency possible requires expertise. Like everything else.
2018-07-03 21:05:20
Clueless
It literally just works if you merely run it.
2018-07-03 21:08:46
Clueless
In fact, most coins don't even work that well. We literally provide you a deployment that takes several clicks to start.
2018-07-03 21:14:42
THX 1138 4EB
i got 5 snow over the course of two weeks or so, meanwhile people in the trade channel are selling thousands
2018-07-03 21:15:07
THX 1138 4EB
for the amount you get, it's hard to mine and not really worth it for shit tier miners like me
2018-07-03 21:15:31
THX 1138 4EB
i started mining snow with someone else who gave up cause they're in the same position as me
2018-07-03 21:16:31
THX 1138 4EB
i'm still mining but it's not that attractive to miners who don't know what they're doing. i even got an nvme drive but i get more hash running my evo 750 and 850 at the same time
2018-07-03 21:17:34
Nuse
I'd suggest channeling all your anger into learning how to do it
2018-07-03 21:18:04
Nuse
People giving up is usually even more of an indicator that you should persist
2018-07-03 21:18:21
Nuse
But if you want to leave the hard work to a miner, you will be charged appropriately for not rolling up your sleeves
2018-07-03 21:18:54
Nuse
Every step of the way towards usability decreases the early and tech savvy miners edge so you still have time.
2018-07-03 21:20:16
Nuse
"If you can't put yourself through hell and learn linux and cloud mining solutions, i can't help you" - Satoshi Nakamoto
2018-07-03 21:22:57
THX 1138 4EB
i could do that, and probably fail, or i could focus on my masters thesis in a completely unrelated field
2018-07-03 21:24:05
THX 1138 4EB
and i'm not that angry; my point is that its going to put off new users
2018-07-03 21:31:56
THX 1138 4EB
i do know of a couple of not-very-good-exchanges that snow could go on; they add anything
2018-07-03 21:34:20
THX 1138 4EB
could do a reddit air-drop
2018-07-03 21:34:55
THX 1138 4EB
is there a snow subreddit?
2018-07-03 21:35:25
THX 1138 4EB
i see there is
2018-07-03 21:49:28
Fireduck
I am working on an even more complicated miner setup if that helps
2018-07-03 21:50:26
Fireduck
But you are absolutely correct, there is a lot to be desired in terms of ease and approachability
2018-07-03 21:52:22
Shoots
on the plus side its dead stable
2018-07-03 22:21:56
Tyler Boone
you only mined 5 snow because there is a lot of total hashpower, and you and spending less resources than others to mine. It's not because you don't understand how to mine. Even if you were able to triple your hashrate through optimization (not very likely) you would still have just 15, still compared to those thousands.
2018-07-03 22:23:22
Tyler Boone
anyways, once snow moons (which is basically an eventuality at this point) you will be able to afford all the lambos with your 5 blossoms.
2018-07-03 22:23:53
Tyler Boone
So go ahead and smell the sweet nectar now!