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2018-06-27 00:08:03
Clueless
I'm back everyone
2018-06-27 02:32:39
stoner19
I didn't know you were gone, but so glad you made it back to us!
2018-06-27 02:33:28
Clueless
eh, I woke up to 5+ missed messages so..
2018-06-27 02:34:03
Fireduck
you should get a job
2018-06-27 02:34:34
Clueless
What's a job?
2018-06-27 02:41:52
Fireduck
I don't know
2018-06-27 02:42:24
Ninja
The supply starts at 50 per block, halving every 4 years.
2018-06-27 02:42:50
Ninja
How many a day now
2018-06-27 02:47:49
stoner19
~10 minute block time, at 50 per block = 7200 per day? roughly?
2018-06-27 02:55:35
Ninja
estimated network hash rate: 1104.794 Mh/s
2018-06-27 02:56:27
Ninja
difficulty
2018-06-27 02:58:56
Shoots
Hashrate grew too fast. No block for almost an hour now
2018-06-27 03:02:02
stoner19
what is everyone mining with for the hash rate to jump that much?
2018-06-27 03:15:34
Shoots
Renting compute servers
2018-06-27 03:22:05
stoner19
well that hash can't last that long in that case
2018-06-27 03:33:12
Shoots
Its not cheap that's for sure
2018-06-27 03:58:10
Fireduck
everyone was kung fu fighting
2018-06-27 04:07:59
samspeed
so....i‘ll diy some super servers.....:smiley:
2018-06-27 05:07:55
Fireduck
you can search by block number: https://explorer.snowblossom.org/?search=7011
2018-06-27 05:07:59
Fireduck
or block hash, or tx hash
2018-06-27 05:08:02
Fireduck
or address
2018-06-27 05:08:17
Fireduck
and as soon as the cache updates, you'll be able to see pool counts for the last 1000 blocks
2018-06-27 05:10:49
Clueless
Nice
2018-06-27 05:11:04
Clueless
I think the RPC is going to be very important.
2018-06-27 05:12:18
Fireduck
yeah, I started on some notes of what I would want if I were making an exchange
2018-06-27 05:12:23
Fireduck
hope it is mostly correct
2018-06-27 05:12:26
Fireduck
and I'll just do that
2018-06-27 05:14:48
Fireduck
http://snow.protopool.io should chill out :wink:
2018-06-27 05:39:29
Fireduck
The CAP theorem is for quiters.
2018-06-27 05:40:23
Protovist
Don't settle for less than all three.
2018-06-27 05:40:54
Fireduck
well, going to hand wave a little bit on the consistency
2018-06-27 05:41:09
Fireduck
eventual consistency is still consistency
2018-06-27 06:28:58
penfold
I usually opt for “eventually I will address CAP”
2018-06-27 06:30:39
Fireduck
I am working on a wallet data file format that will be friendly to use on multiple computers with syncing later
2018-06-27 06:30:49
Fireduck
like dropbox, rsync in both directions, unison, etc
2018-06-27 06:30:58
Fireduck
basically anything that gets files from one side to the other
2018-06-27 06:30:59
penfold
oh now THAT’s a good idea :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-06-27 06:31:21
penfold
ideally it’d be human readable too but not sure if that is impractical?
2018-06-27 06:31:42
Fireduck
I never trust binary wallet files, you never know what the hell might be in them
2018-06-27 06:31:57
Fireduck
oh no, this file is corrupt. Great, how the hell was I supposed to know that?
2018-06-27 06:31:58
penfold
also: corrupt binary wallet looks exactly the same as valuable binary wallet
2018-06-27 06:32:02
Fireduck
yep
2018-06-27 06:32:02
penfold
:laughing:
2018-06-27 06:32:34
Fireduck
so binary is easier to program, but it is worth some effort to make it readable
2018-06-27 06:33:32
penfold
yeah it worked well for bitcoin, just write the stuff out with random endianness and then it’s someone else’s problem ;o)
2018-06-27 06:41:43
Fireduck
Jesus. Making my Bitcoin pool software was basically a week of undocumented endian hell.
2018-06-27 06:43:38
penfold
oh _that_ Fireduck - satoshidice?
2018-06-27 09:26:41
fydel
ok.. my pool votes yes now. :ballot_box_with_ballot:
2018-06-27 09:28:48
Rotonen
i’ll steer my pool clear of votes, just to differentiate, even though i’d vote yes myself
2018-06-27 09:29:05
Rotonen
miners voting through a pool would be a feature
2018-06-27 09:34:33
Clueless
it'd be powerful to do something deterministic and checksum/error corect that hard.
2018-06-27 09:35:01
Clueless
@Rotonen you're not voting with the pool for now?
2018-06-27 09:35:19
Clueless
@fydel which pool is yours? :P
2018-06-27 09:36:15
fydel
@Clueless the little hamster
2018-06-27 09:36:22
Clueless
ah. :)
2018-06-27 09:36:58
Clueless
@fydel let me know if you want to be placed on here: https://github.com/snowblossomcoin/snowblossom/wiki/Mining-Pools
2018-06-27 09:37:56
fydel
thanks. but too much responsibility. maybe later.
2018-06-27 09:44:18
Rotonen
@Clueless i’ll leave the pool out of all votes, so if ever need be, there is a public pool, which does not vote
2018-06-27 12:38:00
Fireduck
makes sense
2018-06-27 16:42:11
finex
is clueless the only official escrow here?
2018-06-27 16:50:07
Shoots
yes
2018-06-27 16:54:01
cXplexus
Getting almost the same hash on my NVMe without precaching the 64GB I have
2018-06-27 16:54:07
cXplexus
Interesting
2018-06-27 16:54:36
Fireduck
what is the current discord invitelink?
2018-06-27 16:55:50
Rotonen
@cXplexus your os caches stuff for you
2018-06-27 16:57:33
cXplexus
Yeah, but I thought it would still be a significant amount like when it was field 6
2018-06-27 16:57:37
cXplexus
@Rotonen
2018-06-27 16:58:07
Rotonen
@cXplexus rethink
2018-06-27 16:58:38
cXplexus
It’s hard
2018-06-27 16:59:05
cXplexus
I fell into a fire and have 1st and 2nd degree burns on my arm and face. So I can’t wrap my head around it. Lol
2018-06-27 16:59:31
cXplexus
Hence my MIA
2018-06-27 17:05:13
Tyler Boone
@cXplexus, precaching gives huge improvement (like 5x) when you can get like 80% of the field in memory. When only 45% or so is in memory, then it's a much smaller improvement (like 1.5x)
2018-06-27 17:09:02
Fireduck
cool
2018-06-27 17:09:15
cXplexus
Thanks
2018-06-27 17:09:30
cXplexus
And as fields grow hash on SSDs will go down of course
2018-06-27 17:15:37
Tyler Boone
no
2018-06-27 17:16:31
cXplexus
Cuz they are the same
2018-06-27 17:16:36
Tyler Boone
ignoring caching effects, a 16gb field on an SSD should be the same speed as a 512gb field on the same SSD
2018-06-27 17:16:54
Tyler Boone
obviously caching would be very effecting on the 16gb field.
2018-06-27 17:17:20
Tyler Boone
but less noticeable for example from 128gb to 256gb
2018-06-27 17:17:40
cXplexus
Which would eat up more power
2018-06-27 17:18:04
cXplexus
So at a certain point unless you have the ram it’s not worth the extra power draw using the RAM/CPU
2018-06-27 18:29:28
Rotonen
@cXplexus mining snowblossom is not limited by number crushing, at least my hardware stays relatively cool vs. normal ’full loads’
2018-06-27 18:45:36
kkwang2005
Hello anyone can send me a link to the discord channel? Many thanks
2018-06-27 18:52:18
kkwang2005
Thanks Shoots.
2018-06-27 18:53:17
kkwang2005
But I clicked it and opened discord, then nothing
2018-06-27 18:53:35
kkwang2005
its not connecting to snowblossom channel
2018-06-27 19:01:12
Shoots
weird here's another one https://discord.gg/VEvZhX
2018-06-27 19:02:17
Fireduck
woo, I got ec2 with ipv4 and ipv6 working
2018-06-27 19:05:55
kkwang2005
I still get this message
2018-06-27 19:06:41
Fireduck
I mantain my position that discord sucks
2018-06-27 19:06:53
Shoots
someone messed with the permissions
2018-06-27 19:09:31
kkwang2005
nope not working sadly
2018-06-27 19:09:47
kkwang2005
which fields should I download to mine?
2018-06-27 19:10:10
Shoots
to start mining now, 8 to be prepared for the next storm
2018-06-27 19:10:43
Fireduck
@kkwang2005 that link worked for my in an incognito window
2018-06-27 19:10:47
Fireduck
not sure what to tell you
2018-06-27 19:10:47
kkwang2005
isee. my ssd is only 32G, is it ok for mining?
2018-06-27 19:11:05
Shoots
whats your discord username?
2018-06-27 19:12:55
kkwang2005
I am in
2018-06-27 19:13:39
kkwang2005
Thanks for all.
2018-06-27 19:17:39
kkwang2005
Is 32G ssd ok for mining?
2018-06-27 19:21:24
Shoots
you will need an ssd large enough to hold field 7 which is 128gb
2018-06-27 19:21:30
Shoots
field 8 is 256gb
2018-06-27 19:30:01
nurrd
Google is nice enough to let you run on Cloud if you need a couple weeks to get some new drives set up, like me. lol
2018-06-27 19:30:36
nurrd
They gave me a $300 credit, so I'm mining snowblossom with it.
2018-06-27 19:36:14
nurrd
Kind of like this on their platform. I've been able to play around with different builds to see what works best.
2018-06-27 19:39:09
Shoots
if you dont deposit money soon and they see you are mining on 300 free trial they will black list you
2018-06-27 19:39:17
Shoots
happened to me and they wont let me mine even if I want to pay
2018-06-27 19:40:00
Shoots
plus aws is better
2018-06-27 19:40:53
nurrd
Oh well. I have parts on the way, I just found out it works for now, so why not. I don't really use Cloud for anything else, all of my other rigs are on-premise. These are also pre-empts, so they aren't meant to last.
2018-06-27 19:43:03
Fireduck
I just moved a few of the seed nodes from gcp to aws
2018-06-27 19:43:07
Fireduck
since aws supports ipv6
2018-06-27 19:43:13
nurrd
Noted!
2018-06-27 19:50:35
Fireduck
the vpc setup for ipv4 and ipv6 to work is pretty weird
2018-06-27 19:50:40
Fireduck
but it almost makes sense now
2018-06-27 19:50:47
Fireduck
frighteningly enough
2018-06-27 19:51:01
Fireduck
on AWS
2018-06-27 19:53:35
nurrd
I haven't looked into AWS for stuff like this yet, will research later. If nothing else I'm enjoying the sandbox aspect with cloud builds.
2018-06-27 19:54:09
Fireduck
I do a lot of dev and testing on local VM instances
2018-06-27 19:54:23
Fireduck
and then move things to cloud VM instances for making them accessible to others
2018-06-27 19:54:40
Fireduck
that way I am not screwing up real OSes with strange libraries
2018-06-27 19:54:57
Fireduck
and since each VM does pretty much one thing, I don't give a crap what I install or where
2018-06-27 19:54:58
Fireduck
so yeah
2018-06-27 19:56:42
nurrd
Local is mostly where I've been. I hadn't even considered moving to cloud VMs until I got into this coin. Now, I'm actually considering it for other applications.
2018-06-27 19:57:04
Fireduck
it can get expensive quick, especially for hobby projects
2018-06-27 19:59:21
kkwang2005
this algo is interesting, depends on the size of ssd. not many miners use ssd larger than 256G
2018-06-27 20:00:00
nurrd
Could, but I'm thinking if I can actually generate revenue to cover it I can get away with a few non-revenue projects along the way. Still have to research it a bit and crunch numbers, may not be worth it at all but at least worth a look.
2018-06-27 20:04:47
nurrd
It's a combo of memory, the disk, and the cpu, emphasis on memory and cpu, from what I've learned so far. You really just need bigger disks to store the field files.
2018-06-27 20:09:43
kkwang2005
how to download the fields if I dont have torrent downloader?
2018-06-27 20:10:40
Shoots
are you on terminal?
2018-06-27 20:10:44
Shoots
use transmission-cli
2018-06-27 20:11:33
nurrd
be sure to use -w to set download directory
2018-06-27 20:13:25
Fireduck
or deluge-console
2018-06-27 20:14:35
kkwang2005
thanks
2018-06-27 20:15:06
kkwang2005
the ssd requirement make this coin very very hard to mine for majority of miners.
2018-06-27 20:15:32
kkwang2005
good for miners who can mine
2018-06-27 20:15:41
Shoots
if it catches on people will buy ssd's and use them to mine, similar to how people buy gpus to mine
2018-06-27 20:16:31
kkwang2005
yes......agree
2018-06-27 20:17:46
kkwang2005
my best ssd is 120G, shit,,,,, cant mine it
2018-06-27 20:20:17
nurrd
I'm in a similar boat right now, I have GPU rigs with like 120g drives at best, 32 on average. I'm working on a new build, but this rig is 100% unique compared to the others. Mostly RAM and instead of GPUs in PCIe lanes, it's going to be ssds, lol.
2018-06-27 20:22:07
Fireduck
well, I was trying to make something different :wink:
2018-06-27 20:23:43
nurrd
Definitely succeeded. And it's interesting. I have 2 friends that gpu mine who are working on getting into it.
2018-06-27 20:25:07
nurrd
They kind of see it as a 'new challenge' since it renders their current machines effectively useless, lol.
2018-06-27 20:31:57
Fireduck
the problem is building a machine with more than 128gb of ram gets into strange server hardware that is always more expensive
2018-06-27 20:36:14
nurrd
I'm sourcing Enterprise hand-me-downs for most of what I'm working on, but you're right, some parts you'll have to spend big on to keep up.
2018-06-27 20:40:37
nurrd
Used Proliants will become the new GTX 1070. haha
2018-06-27 20:45:32
nurrd
That one would work thru next field, I'm looking at a proliant with 1tb memory capacity for decent prices, haven't found a specific model yet.
2018-06-27 20:46:01
Fireduck
yeah, I can see that
2018-06-27 20:46:28
nurrd
Then I throw in a few big drives, and just add memory every storm
2018-06-27 20:47:08
Fireduck
might as well use 2tb SSDs to load into memory
2018-06-27 20:47:13
Fireduck
don't want that to take forever
2018-06-27 20:47:16
nurrd
Yep, that's the idea.
2018-06-27 20:47:32
nurrd
Can scale as time goes on though, don't have to do it all up front, is what I'm thinking.
2018-06-27 20:48:07
nurrd
But, depending on how prices go, I can build it out either way with that type of machine.
2018-06-27 20:48:51
nurrd
More drives, or more memory. Or both. haha
2018-06-27 20:50:46
nurrd
I'll still be shopping around rest of this week, I'm doing a lot of comparing and giving consideration to scaling up later. This is a good coin, have a feeling sticking with it will be a wise move.
2018-06-27 20:52:59
Fireduck
awesome
2018-06-27 21:12:59
Rotonen
for torrents, aria2
2018-06-27 21:48:35
kkwang2005
When will the next storm come?
2018-06-27 21:48:44
kkwang2005
Thanks Rotonen for aria2
2018-06-27 22:05:23
Shoots
My guess is next field activates at difficulty 41. Last two were at 37 and 39
2018-06-27 22:23:24
Ninja
Very cheap 320GSSD,$50
2018-06-27 22:24:00
Ninja
20snow，lol
2018-06-27 22:25:06
Rotonen
that’ll probably get you about 5kH/s
2018-06-27 22:26:22
Ninja
If I use 20 of them together
2018-06-27 22:27:00
Ninja
NVME
2018-06-27 22:29:02
Shoots
just buy an nvme drive
2018-06-27 22:30:54
Shoots
the 1tb and 2tb samsung 970 evo's look pretty good
2018-06-27 22:30:59
Ninja
Unlimited expansion of storage？
2018-06-27 22:31:17
Shoots
theyre about 7x faster than a sata drive
2018-06-27 22:32:07
Ninja
Buy ten to use together
2018-06-27 22:32:32
Rotonen
your sata controller’s command density saturates first
2018-06-27 22:33:40
Rotonen
unless you get a proper sas backplane, at which point you could by a couple of computers and nvme disks for the same money
2018-06-27 22:34:27
Rotonen
quality of io is expensive, no cheap shortcuts currently
2018-06-27 22:35:00
Ninja
The price of China $1000,My God
2018-06-27 22:35:21
Rotonen
and 10 of those is still 50kH/s minus overhead so probably 20k .. 30k
2018-06-27 22:35:41
Rotonen
that’s what they cost everywhere
2018-06-27 22:36:02
Rotonen
cheaper than 2TB RAM, though
2018-06-27 22:36:27
Shoots
someone needs to fork snowblossom into snowblossom cash so we can start mining at field 1 again
2018-06-27 22:37:18
Rotonen
we’ll have to wait for transaction fees for snowblossom gold, though?
2018-06-27 22:38:07
Rotonen
the 970 evo will get one some 100k .. 200k, plus ratio of ram cache on top
2018-06-27 22:38:52
Ninja
What devices support 1T OR 2T ddr4?
2018-06-27 22:38:54
Rotonen
if you factor the price of the computer on top in i still find the nvme drives cheaper
2018-06-27 22:39:36
Rotonen
@Ninja many non-intel servers do (and have for years)
2018-06-27 22:40:10
Rotonen
look up an oracle M5, for example, or an ibm POWER9
2018-06-27 22:41:07
Rotonen
though i think the venerable T4 and T5 could do more ram per socket than the new shiny M8
2018-06-27 22:44:07
Rotonen
though it is extremely unlikely anyone will ever throw hardware like that at snowblossom, it is healthy to remember they do exist
2018-06-27 22:44:28
Ninja
It's too expensive
2018-06-27 22:44:40
Rotonen
no one thought of ASIC development being affordable either
2018-06-27 22:44:57
Rotonen
until it was
2018-06-27 22:45:27
Ninja
How much?
2018-06-27 22:45:48
Rotonen
currently prepping with finding good deals on larger 950 pro or 960 pro is the cheap future proofing
2018-06-27 22:47:18
Rotonen
@Ninja funnily enough about the same as a lambo: http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/exadata-pricelist-070598.pdf
2018-06-27 22:48:37
Ninja
Why not use it ram
2018-06-27 22:49:15
Ninja
Faster speed
2018-06-27 22:50:15
Ninja
Using RAM mining
2018-06-27 23:20:21
nurrd
RAM is the answer.
2018-06-27 23:25:03
Clueless
sup all
2018-06-27 23:37:12
Shoots
Welcome back