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2020-09-21 05:50:39
Rotonen
that's also sounds like a problem one should not run into with a language where the language level primitives are able to do the right thing
2020-09-21 07:22:44
Fireduck
yeah, true. Not sure what is going wrong there.
2020-09-21 07:23:17
Fireduck
presumably I am doing something stupid somewhere
2020-09-21 07:25:06
Rotonen
yeah, finding the root is recommendable
2020-09-21 16:40:45
Fireduck
I suspect it is in the link generation for making the static html pages
2020-09-21 22:21:48
Rotonen
i keep telling you to not try to roll your own web things :smile:
2020-09-21 22:22:48
Rotonen
it took our species some 15 years to get collectively not horrible at that, maybe stand on those shoulders
2020-09-21 22:22:49
Fireduck
Ha. Probably just need to set the character set on the generated html index pages
2020-09-21 22:23:09
Rotonen
that idea sounds even worse to me
2020-09-21 22:23:14
Fireduck
I haven't seen a lot of evidence of "not horrible"
2020-09-21 22:23:40
Rotonen
it implies you're doing your own content negotiation scheme somewhere to begin with, and instead of actually handling that for anything a client might request, you just do 'something'
2020-09-21 22:24:24
Fireduck
I'll ping you on the code change so you can shake your head at it
2020-09-21 22:24:39
Rotonen
i can comment on your content negotiation flow graph if you have one
2020-09-21 22:25:07
Rotonen
the markup generation side of it does not even matter if the underlying transport layer is not up to par
2020-09-21 22:25:18
Fireduck
The HTML for that page is generated at channel import time, listing the files and directories
2020-09-21 22:25:40
Rotonen
and there's no render time transform layer?
2020-09-21 22:26:10
Rotonen
and no storage layer semantics around what the payload's pile of bytes is encoded as
2020-09-21 22:26:14
Fireduck
nope, the web serving is fairly simple. Look up item for URL path, serve thing
2020-09-21 22:26:26
Fireduck
there is size and content type saved
2020-09-21 22:26:29
Fireduck
with the thing
2020-09-21 22:26:33
Rotonen
yeah, that's http 1.0 era internet stuff
2020-09-21 22:26:42
Rotonen
we went quite far from there
2020-09-21 22:27:12
Rotonen
does content type include storage encoding details as well?
2020-09-21 22:27:35
Rotonen
i guess not really if people "just edit things with text editors and just serve files"
2020-09-21 22:28:16
Fireduck
what sort of sort of storage details? There is a map of objects for each channel and if an object exists it maps to a ContnetID, which is a message on a channel block
2020-09-21 22:28:36
Fireduck
The message on the channel block might reference other chunks if the file isn't trivially small
2020-09-21 22:28:58
Rotonen
details like "is this ascii, latin-1, utf-8 - which byte order - how are composables normalised"
2020-09-21 22:29:13
Fireduck
ah, I don't have any of that
2020-09-21 22:29:41
Fireduck
could add it as needed
2020-09-21 22:29:43
Rotonen
and that's probably why you don't have an oracle based on which to set the correct response header for the content you serve
2020-09-21 22:30:09
Fireduck
so am setting the content-type based on metadata. I can add other metadata as needed.
2020-09-21 22:30:15
Rotonen
nor the ability for a client to request it in an another one and that being transformed on the fly
2020-09-21 22:30:47
Rotonen
content type charset is what i'm mostly on about
2020-09-21 22:31:02
Rotonen
hardcoding that is an equally bad idea to not setting it at all
2020-09-21 22:31:26
Fireduck
yeah, I can see that
2020-09-21 22:31:34
Rotonen
and going deeper into getting that right is something i do not recommend rolling your own on
2020-09-21 22:32:29
Rotonen
and when i say web, you think it's only http, whereas i take the tim berners lee holistic view of the total service
2020-09-21 22:33:08
Rotonen
the combination of transport and content and client empowernment is a classic and difficult triangle to fully cover
2020-09-21 22:33:47
Rotonen
when you do "web", you're not "serving files" or generating "api responses" anymore
2020-09-21 22:34:21
Rotonen
content is hard
2020-09-21 22:34:31
Rotonen
and we're not even talking of semantic web here yet :slightly_smiling_face:
2020-09-21 22:35:16
Fireduck
Right now, I'm focusing on simple have static content, want to serve static content sort of cases
2020-09-21 22:35:49
Rotonen
if you just want to do serving of files, maybe find a WebDAV implementation
2020-09-21 22:36:10
Fireduck
Serving files to browsers mostly :wink:
2020-09-21 22:36:16
Fireduck
I remember when webdav was hot
2020-09-21 22:36:37
Rotonen
it never went anywhere
2020-09-21 22:36:45
Rotonen
that even half looks like what you're cooking